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- everywhere; but not a drop to spare !    Seems were destined to run out of water over the next 25 years according to the EA,  if you've just received your water rates, you may be excused some anger.  The UK is noted for being rained on, and although a drier climate is predicted,  it would seem the starting point for the EA would be to increase our collection and save capabilty  IE: increase the number of reservoirs;  combine this with hydro-electric schemes to produce green energy (two birds with one stone);  establish  a national network for water transfer throughout the UK.   

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Perhaps these top water boffins are not up to the job. As you say,  more reservoirs would solve the problem & ,if strategically placed ,could collect excess rainwater ,prevent damaging floods & possibly power hydro electric schemes. No doubt any solution will involve a hefty contribution from  the customers to  achieve greatly increased profits for water companies.

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I believe that there are plans to build new reservoirs in this country, although government has, in the not too distant past, said that new reservoirs are not needed!

Anyone who was around in 1976 will remember the drought that year, and the dire warnings that it was going to be the pattern for this country for evermore. Total poppycock of course.

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There may be some justification to take a water grid to some places like East Anglia ask long as nobody tries to fix the problem for London.

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The Romans managed to move water over great distances centuries ago and they did it without anything like we have at our disposal so where do we go wrong?

 

Bill :)

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Australia spent a small fortune a few years ago building desalination plants because of dire warnings of future drought. And then the rain came back. However, as is the way with such things, Australia does have a cycle of drought conditions so many of these plants are in use, although not many are operating at more than minimum capacity.

On last night's BBC Northwest news programme there were 2 items about water. One of them was about the impending disasterous drought we are going to suffer this year, or maybe next. The other one was about how unprepared we are for the impending disasterous floods we are going to suffer in the near future. Come on BBC, one scare story at a time please 😏

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Think that's the stupidity of those in power Asp:  IF we're to experience extremes of weather,  one prepares one's infrastructure to cope with either extreme -  flooding or drought = more water catchment and storage, and a transfer network.   Such schemes will no doubt cost lots of money,  but solutions usually do.

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Obs - following that logic we should prepare for an asteroid strike too. They can't decide whether there will be more or less rainfall because they do not understand the science, no the science is not settled at all. Only the environmental lobbying is in fact settled. That money you just tried to spend would come from schools and the NHS as well as defence, it shouldn't happen until they can show with certainty that the science allows predictions made in advance that come true to be demonstrated. The current hand waving is not sufficient at all.

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Errm, nope:  the EA has just told us that there will be water shortages in the next 25 years, and everyone will have to use less.  We know from experience, that a drought in the Summer results in hose-pipe bans and panic. We also know from experience, that Winter storms can bring flash flooding. So, on the basis of that experience it's a no brainer to suggest that our infrastructure is updated to cope.  Perhaps if you want money, we could cancel HS2 and stop hiring ferry companies with no ships !

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Oh am you think the EA has made that statement using better science than the Met Office espouses do you? Give me the proof. The other comments are not helpful.

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Frankly, I'm less concerned about EA predictions of the whether, than our regular personal experience of it - we are getting droughts and flash floods - therefore "be prepared" as the Scouts would say.

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2 hours ago, Observer II said:

Errm, nope:  the EA has just told us that there will be water shortages in the next 25 years, and everyone will have to use less.  We know from experience, that a drought in the Summer results in hose-pipe bans and panic. We also know from experience, that Winter storms can bring flash flooding. So, on the basis of that experience it's a no brainer to suggest that our infrastructure is updated to cope.  Perhaps if you want money, we could cancel HS2 and stop hiring ferry companies with no ships !

Shouldn't the world's oceans be awash with millions of extra gallons of water as a result of global warming ? Desalination plants  seem to be the way to go.

I remember watching a programme with Kate Humble a few years ago about climate change & the biggest factor for droughts was the earth moving  on its axis.

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Let's get it right Dave, I'm far from being a tree hugger and don't subscribe to the climate change hysteria - our climate has constantly changed throughout the history of the planet. What I am saying is, that if extreme whether events are occuring,  then we do what our species has always done - we adapt to survive.   

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we can always use bottled water. 🤭🤭

davy can you remember if this caused droughts or stopped them.

A.(/) =droughts.   

B. (\) = floods or at least no droughts.

I suppose it depends on whether we are going from A-B or from B-A

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What it said Sid was that the movement on the axis would move the areas where droughts would occur so i assume it could also bring more rainfall to other areas.

By the way, wasn't 2017 one of the wettest summers on record ?

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I think you're confusing weather with climate Davy, or is that confusing climate with weather? I'm never sure which way round is the flavour of the day with the "experts" 😕

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This problem is caused by climate being the average of 30 years of weather, the climate cycles themselves include ones that are 60 years or more. It is obvious that the definition means that by the time meteorologists work out the data for the current climate it is bound to be starting to change the other way. That is how you get permanent climate change which can be manipulated ad-infinitum by activists. One of the cycles is ice ages, and the period between those is quite long but variable, we are still recovering from the last one, and slowly getting warmer but statistically we could be close to the next one. If carbon dioxide does warm us and that prevents the onset of the next ice age then mankind will have dodged a massive extinction which the activists want us to hurry along. Truly there are mad people in this world.

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Think it's the fluctuations that cause the problem Asp;  if there was greater capacity for capture and storage, supply wouldn't be a problem; the same infrastructure would also provide somewhere for the water to go during times of flooding.   Plus of course, not building in the flood plain and reducing surface run off might help.

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