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Deal or No Deal ?

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Well TM says it's her deal or no deal, but will that get through Parliament ?   Seems Labour are going to vote against any deal and try to force a G/Election. But if they keep us in the EU, won't that confound their mass re-nationalisation plans ?   The waters get muddier .      

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No Deal sounds good to me.

Labour don't want anything except to get into power and, this time, ensure that they can't lose it again.

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I'll go with "no deal" too;   we're being threatened by the Remoaners with everything up to and including an asteroid heading for the UK, due to our Brexit decision. The reality is however, somewhat different; as the EU sell twice as much to us as we do to them, so trade restrictions will hit them harder, and late in the day, I think they're beginning to realise it. The problem for us is, that we have an elite of Remoaner politicians in Parliament, determined to scupper the will of the people and cave in to EU domination.  So ultimately, it for the electorate to decide one way or the other at the next G/Election, and just hope that they're not so fickle, that they change their minds.

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Interesting that the cracks are appearing in the EU, with a 20% hole in their un-audited budget; either the net contributors are going to have to pay more, or the net recipients are going to get less.  Add to this Brussel's dictate to Poland and Hungary to take in migrants, and we seem to have a perfect storm for an implosion.   :ph34r:

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The Leave campaign was s feast of lies, false promises and outright deceit,  must have cost a fortune to put that campaign together 😄😄😄

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Seems the pundits are increasing the odds on a deal that will tie us into the customs union ad infinitum; which means we cannot negotiate our own seperate trade deals, and will continue to pay but with no say. So, basically still in the EU - the politicians have robbed us.

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Well, after the two main Parties promising to honour the result of the referendum;  we've had a majority of MPs running around Parliament like headless chickens, trying to muddy the water and prevent us leaving the EU.   The majority of MPs however, voted to activate article 50 which began the formal process of leaving and this was an Act of Parliament, meaning that, in law, we leave the EU on 29th March thus giving us days now, to sort out a deal or leave with no deal.  Labour have talked about staying in the customs union and the single market, with it's commitments to free movement, no unilateral trade deals and continued net payments to the EU, but without any political say.  They've even moved on to call for another referendum, which then raises the argument for the best out of three or four, or more; until they get the answer they want.  Meanwhile, the Tory Remoaners have insisted on "a deal"; which includes a constructed issue over the Irish border, and a legal back stop that ties us into the customs union (and thus the EU) indefinatey, in order to prevent a "hard border" in Ireland.  The intent of this imo, is the long term goal of Eire to secure a United Ireland, but it seems now that the IRA are not prepared to wait !    So, what to do ?   Hopefully, the PM will keep kicking the can down the road past the 29th March, when we'll finally leave the EU without a deal, thus providing a clean break and an end to this undemocratic saga.

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For the last time the Good Friday Agreement does not call for No Hard Border, just that we don't have troops on it. This crap that MPs are debating is really annoying, they are all paid far too much to be this thick!

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Don't think I suggested anything about the GFA;   which was a peace agreement between the UK and Eire;  but has now been used by Eire and the EU, to raise the border as an issue, merely imo to severe Ulster from the UK.   Aside from those German car workers, French,Spanish, Dutch and Belgian farmers;  the Irish will be the biggest losers in a no deal exit; so perhaps Varadkar will come to regret over playing his hand.

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The Irish border issue was brought into play late in the day when it became obvious to the ptb that some spoiling tactics were needed to delay or cancel Brexit.

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US political tv shows last night had a current news ribbon running on the bottom of the screen "British Government vote to run new election on Brexit".    Is a new vote a done deal and if so, what does that portend for any future Parliamentry decision, would any vote on any future issue be subject to 'best two out of three' ?

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No, there's been no decision on anything yet. A couple more votes over the next couple of days, but it's doubtful whether Parliament can come to a meaningful decision about anything.

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Thanks Asp, hard to tell fact from fiction in a world where no lie gets punished.  Pity Guy Fawlks failed, cos he could then have moved on to the BBC and MSNBC.

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Stall, you should know; it's a bit like voting for a guy to build a wall, then discovering that the swamp politicians won't fund it (with your money) !   Guy Fawkes is said to be the only guy to enter Parliament with honest intentions !

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13 hours ago, Stallard12 said:

US political tv shows last night had a current news ribbon running on the bottom of the screen "British Government vote to run new election on Brexit".    Is a new vote a done deal and if so, what does that portend for any future Parliamentry decision, would any vote on any future issue be subject to 'best two out of three' ?

Apparently, the EU has no limit on referendum re-runs as long as the "right" conclusion is attained.

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It's now the EU who can give us what we voted for, by refusing an extension (as there is nothing new to offer them);  any vote by Parliament against "no deal" will be none binding and without an extension to article 50, the clock runs out on 29th march - then we're OUT (NO DEAL) -  which is what we voted for. 

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If they vote against a no deal can we get them to have another vote for a no deal until they get it right.🤔🕵️‍♂️

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What still puzzles me is that the EU has insisted on borders with non-EU client countries which the UK would be after Brexit, but they are lambasting us in the event of need of a hard border in Ireland.

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The government has said it will make the NI border tariff free in case of No Deal, and the Irish farmers are still complaining!

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