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Another building allowed to deteriorate to the point where it has had to be demolished.

19th century Sunday School next to Cairo Street Unitarian Chapel

The now demolished Sunday School building - viewed from above

Planners frustrated by loss of historic building

 

 

BY DAVID SKENTELBERY ON  9TH JUNE 2018 7:00 AMNEWS

PLANNING bosses have expressed their frustration at having to decide whether one of Warrington’s historic buildings should be demolished – when in fact the bulldozers had already done their work.
The borough council’s development management committee were left with no choice but approve the demolition of the 19th century Sunday School next to Cairo Street Unitarian Chapel because it had already been demolished.
Chairman Cllr Tony McCarthy said all members of the committee were frustrated.
Another of Warrington’s historic buildings had been lost – and there was nothing they could do about it.
The Sunday School building – which adjoined the former Cabinet Works and Garnett’s Tower, also already demolished – had deteriorated through years of neglect, vandalism and weather to the extent that it could not be saved.
After the meeting, Cllr McCarthy said: “We need a list of Warrington’s historic buildings, whether in public or private ownership, together with their owners so that we can do something to prevent them reaching the state that they are a health and safety hazard and beyond economic repair.
“If not, we will lose more buildings.”
Historic England had indicated it could not support the loss of the Sunday School as it added to the significance of the adjoining chapel, which dates from 1745 and is the second oldest place of worship in Warrington.
But they did not object to the demolition because of the dilapidated condition of the building.
Planning officers said the loss of the building was “highly regrettable.”A structural report had indicated the building was in a dangerous condition.

 

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The now demolished Sunday School building - viewed from above

 

 


 

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Do you hear that banging? It's the stable doors being slammed!

The borough council’s development management committee were left with no choice but approve the demolition of the 19th century Sunday School next to Cairo Street Unitarian Chapel because it had already been demolished.
 

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Clear pattern of behaviour. Developers know they can either allow buildings to decay or simply pull them down and the council will just express their regret. It would come as no surprise to discover that developers are given the nod off the record to just do as they like. I know councillors worry when the council is described as 'officer led' but it would be more accurate to describe it as 'developer led' in these cases. 

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Nothing about this incident neither shocks nor surprises me what does astound me is the council don't seem to know how many listed buildings we have in the area otherwise this statement would not have been made. 

"After the meeting, Cllr McCarthy said: “We need a list of Warrington’s historic buildings, whether in public or private ownership, together with their owners so that we can do something to prevent them reaching the state that they are a health and safety hazard and beyond economic repair. “If not, we will lose more buildings.”

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28 minutes ago, algy said:

Nothing about this incident neither shocks nor surprises me what does astound me is the council don't seem to know how many listed buildings we have in the area otherwise this statement would not have been made. 

"After the meeting, Cllr McCarthy said: “We need a list of Warrington’s historic buildings, whether in public or private ownership, together with their owners so that we can do something to prevent them reaching the state that they are a health and safety hazard and beyond economic repair. “If not, we will lose more buildings.”

That list exists. It's perfectly easy to find it online, including a full roster of locally listed buildings. You also have to wonder what use it would be, given that the council does absolutely nothing to protect the buildings anyway.  

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wikipedia states there are 141 listed buildings in the warrington area. actually now 140 as they list the now defunct church.

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6 hours ago, Observer II said:

In the absence of any political vision or plan, financial expediency rules, with the piecemeal leadership of developers.

I had to read that 3 times before I realised it was a sentence!

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asp, it isn't a sentence since there is no verb and I wouldn't like to guess who the implied subject is! It gets a message across though, even if it is a somewhat despairing one.

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This building was owned by Warrington & Co at the time of demolition - says it all!

 

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So basically it's the council tearing down its own listed buildings and applying retrospective consent? 

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the Sunday school was a dilapidated and dangerous building.  Permission to demolish it was granted way back in 2008.  Historic England did not object to the demolition due to its state.  Since the evaluation and permission to demolish was granted the buildings condition  had degenerated further.  I don't recall any public outcry back in 2008.  Any owner of the building stood at risk of liability should anybody be harmed by falling masonry etc. As sad as it is to lose old buildings this place had become a death trap and the decision to knock it down, in my opinion, was the correct one. 

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yes Algy,  short of inventing a time machine and travelling back to when it was in decent nick, buying it and keeping it in good condition for the present I don't know what else could be done, unless you have a better plan :D

 

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It was in decent nick PJ when the council bought it off the church (the Church needed some money at the time so they sold that building).  It must have been in good condition because the council used it as offices for a some time.....and then they (council bods) moved out leaving it unused and then I guess PTS then acquired it with the other Cabinet works buildings and ALL were left to rot away or allowed to be vandalised and the council did bugger all to stop them (the owners PTS)  letting that happen.  Surely the council had powers and a duty to stop that happening...mmmm
And then once in a completely delapidated state the council do take action....and BUY it all back for a small fortune and then they give themselves permission to bulldoze it all to make way for new development that they had wanted many years ago.  Like something out of a story book don't you think ??

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so we need a time machine to go back and make our protestations heard when the building is still in good nick,  as no one did anything at the time. If you come across one, give me a shout, I'll join you.

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Seemed to me the place was ready to fall down on it's own and If kids every got in there and ended up getting injured then there'd be hell to pay. If nobody has the money to take on and maintain places like this then for me it makes more sense to demolish them rather than leaving them to become a derelict eyesores.

Bill :)

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