observer Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Yet another massacre in the US , and yet more protests; but if folk started voting only for candidates who are standing on a gun law ticket, wouldn't that start to change things - or is that too simple ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Way too simple. There are over 300 million guns in the US which shows that people like their guns. Perhaps if there had been people with guns at the school the shooter would have thought twice about targetting it. After all he's unlikely to have walked into a police station and started shooting! Apparently the FBI were told about this character in September but were too busy trying to find evidence of Russian collusion against the Donald to do anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, asperity said: Way too simple. There are over 300 million guns in the US which shows that people like their guns. Perhaps if there had been people with guns at the school the shooter would have thought twice about targetting it. After all he's unlikely to have walked into a police station and started shooting! Apparently the FBI were told about this character in September but were too busy trying to find evidence of Russian collusion against the Donald to do anything. thats just so ridiculous it's actually made me laugh despite the horrid nature of the subject. First of all when you re spouted Trumps crap conflation the FBI employs 35000 people so obviously can only do one job at a time . Secondly, your answer to stopping guns being used in schools is to put more guns in schools, great logic there Shirlock, and thirdly yes, no one will attack a police officer with a gun, well except the 1500 plus US police officers shot dead in the last 10 years. Comparatively in the UK, where police aren't routinely armed and we have far more sensible gun laws the number of police officers killed is 250 but that is in the last 70 or so years. it's not rocket science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 But frankly, at the end of the day, the arguments don't matter, the vote does. If they keep voting for the same old, same old, with links to the NRA, things ain't going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, observer said: But frankly, at the end of the day, the arguments don't matter, the vote does. If they keep voting for the same old, same old, with links to the NRA, things ain't going to change. I think you might be over estimating the influence of the NRA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/most-gun-owners-dont-belong-to-the-nra-and-they-dont-agree-with-it-either/?utm_term=.6cd1f0f4cfd4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Ooh, I don't know... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 The principle behind the founding fathers making the 2nd amendment, was that an armed populace would never suffer a dictatorship; but that was in the days of muzzle loading rifles. Whilst weapons have had their uses in "taming" the frontier and for hunting; I fail to see how military grade automatic weapons fit into this picture ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, fugtifino said: Ooh, I don't know... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html But politicians, even if they are NRA supporters/supported by the NRA still only make up a tiny minority of the electorate. But in any case gun laws don't work in the USA. The places that have the most stringent gun control (e.g. Chicago) have the highest gun crime rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, observer said: The principle behind the founding fathers making the 2nd amendment, was that an armed populace would never suffer a dictatorship; but that was in the days of muzzle loading rifles. Whilst weapons have had their uses in "taming" the frontier and for hunting; I fail to see how military grade automatic weapons fit into this picture ? At the time of the 2nd amendment guns were a lot more sophisticated than muzzle loaders. You're just parroting the anti gun propoganda Obs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Not really Asp: I'm fairly neutral on this actually, but I can't see the need for military grade automatic weapons at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 You might not Obs, but you don't live in the US. Lots of people there do feel the need to be well armed, but I don't think it's any of our business what they do in their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 "Not our business" - suggest you tell the BBC etc, it's been all over the news, so I guess it's a legitimate issue for comment, this side of the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 The BBC like to think they are there to tell us plebs what to think/believe/who to vote for. I take everything I see/hear on TV news with a large dollop of salt. And it's not up to them to tell the US what their policies should be, they have enough biased news outlets of their own for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Don't disagree with that Asp; my comment was about the Yanks, rather than to them - as in any democracy, everyone has the right to vote for the policies they want. Alas, all too often, the politicians ignore the majority aspiration, as with Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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