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observer    591

According to an LSE study, there seems to be a direct correlation between those areas voting Leave or Remain, and their post-Brexit fortunes (if it ever happens).  Remain voting areas will be worse off, while Leave areas will be less effected.   Perhaps that's why they instinctively voted the way they did ?        :ph34r:

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Evil Sid    228

or it could be that the leavers were fed up with having to follow every EU edict to the letter whilst the french just say NON and blockade the ports.:oops:

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fugtifino    79

"Perhaps that's why they instinctively voted the way they did?"

Well, Professor Overman doesn't go as far as to say that, but what he does make clear is that a soft Brexit will be better than a hard one for all of us.

Here's the study for anyone who's interested:

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/07/27/cep-study-the-uk-areas-that-will-be-hit-most-and-least-by-brexit/

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Davy51    232

A soft Brexit really isn't a Brexit at all & will end up with Remainers pulling the strings until the UK is once more a full member of the EU.

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observer    591

No such thing as a "soft Brexit":  being in the single market, in the customs union and the ECoJ;  means we're still in the EU, still with financial commitments, free movement and no political input.     :ph34r:

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asperity    268

"Soft" Brexit means staying in the EU under worse terms than we have now.

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fugtifino    79
18 hours ago, observer said:

No such thing as a "soft Brexit":  being in the single market, in the customs union and the ECoJ;  means we're still in the EU, still with financial commitments, free movement and no political input.     :ph34r:

No such thing as a "soft Brexit".

You better go tell that to our crack team of negotiators 'cos it looks like that's the way they're heading.

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observer    591

No doubt, the Remainers in the political establishment have tried to confound our leaving at every turn, and if allowed to succeed, will inflict a humiliating and costly compromise on the UK. OUT means, out of the single market (= no free movement). out of the customs union (= make our own trade deals), out of the ECoJ (= control of our own laws).   Anything less would be a sell out of the wishes of the British people, as expressed in the referendum.        :ph34r:

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observer    591

Keep seeing articles about the plight of EU migrants in the UK, post-Brexit.  But if things in the UK are going to get so bad, post-Brexit, as the Remoaners claim; why are these migrants gagging to stay here ?        :ph34r:

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Davy51    232

Perhaps they are being frightened by some of the programmes being broadcast by the rainbow coloured BBC. I too hope that what is being transmitted will not become compulsory in the future.

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asperity    268

Well if all these EU citizens are going home they must have jobs in their home countries to go to, unless they've amassed enough money in this country to retire in their own!

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Bazj    495

I really don't see what the problem is. If we sort out a system similar to that in Australia whereby we only allow people in that we need, how can there be an issue? If we need farm workers, we up the quota on Farm workers. If we don't, we lower the quota. Australia's system is fluid so reacts to the countries needs and expected needs. What we certainly don't need are masses of unskilled workers arriving to undercut the wages paid for a specific job that previously commanded a higher wage which has been happening (and accepted as fact by both Labour and the Tories) in the past. I fail to see how anyone can justify bringing in low skilled or no skilled workers when we have even one person here who can do the job

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observer    591

Alas common sense isn't a virtue of the EU Baz;  it appears the relevant Treaty demands the free movement of people, when the intent was probably the free movement of labour.   The latter implies that migrants have a job to come to.  But it's all part of the Brussels master plan for a single European State, where faceless Brussels burocrats dictate to National Governments, as they are now doing with Poland. But your right, a managed immigration system would allow in required labour, for a required period on the basis of a time limited work visa - simple.     :ph34r:

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asperity    268

The problem is that governments don't do "simple". They like to have complicated systems and procedures so that they can justify growing their little empires and get an increased share of the budget.

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Davy51    232

We are hearing lately about the border between Ulster & Eire. If both parts of Ireland are happy with a soft border wouldn't the solution be to put the hard border between the mainland & Ireland with unrestricted movement for citizens from the north & passport entry for the southern Irish ?

That sound pretty simple too me ,or is it a really complicated issue ?

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observer    591

Again, it's a simple issue, made complicated by those wishing to scotch Brexit.   A special customs union arrangement could be arranged, like the one the EU has with Turkey (not in the EU).  The complication arises with free movement of migrants, with the EU allowing the whole of Africa in, they may enter the UK via Eire rather than Calais.      :ph34r:

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Davy51    232

Allowing migrants to assault the UK through Eire has always been an option, just that none of the seekers of new lives have tried that method. Meanwhile ,the latest odious , little creep to lead the Lib Dems has blamed pensioners & old people for not giving the result he wanted, saying we are stuck with the outdated idea of British sovereignty.

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observer    591

Perhaps, like many career politicians, Vince is annoyed at the triumph of wisdom and common sense, over naivity and gullibility.       :ph34r:               btw: the latest research indicates the £350million per week cost to the UK of EU membership, as stated by the vote leave campaign, was the correct figure. To be precise, less the rebate and EU spending we don't control, it's actually £250million per week.net.

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observer    591

Seems Mr Junkers and Co, have been spending our money wisely - on air taxis and top hotels, costing £500,000 over 2 months.    :ph34r:

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