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francine    9

Just heard Marks and Spencer's to close, in the Golden Square how sad. Lots of people use this store and I'm sure it will be sadly missed.

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observer    588

Suggest you check the original conditions and legal agreements,  of the M&S planning permission for their store at Westbrook.

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Davy51    232

The was a news item at 1 o'clock on BBC saying that Debenhams are also planning to close stores, blaming it on internet sales of their goods & less need for shop floor space.

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The times they are a changing and the retail competition takes no prisoners - if you don't meet the needs of the customers your are dead meet - is that enough puns.

The retail analyst this morning was siting an additional reason that shoppers year for a good experience and want to meet up with their friends etc. with shopping a social experience, say around a coffee light snack somewhere where they can have a make over etc. Beats me but then I don't like shopping on or offline but Mrs S loves to go to the Gemini or now the Stockton Heath version when she's Southside. She can spends out in the shopping outlets and a day at that place on the Wirral.

However what sort of message does this send out that M&S are leaving the Town Centre?

 

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Davy51    232

M&S leaving the town centre will leave a massive hole in the prestige of Golden Square even if it is out of favour with many modern shoppers.

It is hardly surprising though that shopping habits are changing when goods can be ordered in the comfort of home without the need to travel to a shopping centre...petrol,parking traffic congestion & when you consider that groceries are also available on line then taking running a car out of the equation is even more inviting.

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observer    588

Out of Town retail stores were built to suit the car, taking shopping away; this was compounded by G/Square sucking the life out of the rest of the T/Centre. Now we're getting direct shopping to suit those with a PC. Perhaps to avoid a ghost Town, we should be building flats in the T/Centre ?

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It's called change stand still and the retail dies - there are proposals in the pipeline to build & or convert offices to flats - a trend started in Palmyra Sq at the old post office sorting building opposite the Parr Hall.

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observer    588

" retail dies" ?  I thought that's what was happening ? !   :rolleyes:           Perhaps those who wish to retain an M&S in the T/Centre could start a petition - presumably "on line" !     :unsure:

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Davy51    232

What M&S needs is a massive injection of footfall with money to spend into its prime stores  but the company has been losing the retail battle for years in terms of attracting customers to its clothing range. There is no doubting the quality of M&S products but they are not attractive to the youngsters with money in their pockets.

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Davy51    232

Probably, but fashion is such a throw away item they are more interested in Primark even if it only lasts the weekend .

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observer    588

Perhaps they could buy "on line", directly from a Far East sweat shop and get them even cheaper; that should see the end of T/Centre shopping.

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observer    588

Having discovered that we now have a virtual ghost Town;  the joke now proceeds to farce with an application for "City Status" - so I guess that would be Ghost City ? !   :rolleyes:

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Sha    112
On ‎20‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 5:53 PM, Geoffrey Settle said:

The times they are a changing and the retail competition takes no prisoners - if you don't meet the needs of the customers your are dead meet - is that enough puns.

The retail analyst this morning was siting an additional reason that shoppers year for a good experience and want to meet up with their friends etc. with shopping a social experience, say around a coffee light snack somewhere where they can have a make over etc. Beats me but then I don't like shopping on or offline but Mrs S loves to go to the Gemini or now the Stockton Heath version when she's Southside. She can spends out in the shopping outlets and a day at that place on the Wirral.

However what sort of message does this send out that M&S are leaving the Town Centre?

 

A lot of people shop online these days but most people I know 'shop around' online then once they've found a few things they are interested in they go to the shop and check out the quality and fit - who wants to drive all the way to out of town locations just on the off-chance they might find something?

  M&S has never really been that popular with the younger set and in recent years popularity has dropped, not necessarily because of quality but 'fit'.  Their suppliers seem to be cutting from ancient or asian patterns but people in Europe are now taller, more angular etc.

Whatever,  'going shopping' is more for the inclusion of the social aspect and like your wife Geoff people will go to places which are pleasant to visit.

 You are right to ask " what sort of message does this send out that M&S are leaving the Town Centre?"     I think we all know the answer to that! 

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Hi Sha, probably better asking my daughter about the changes in retail.

She did work for Miss Selfridge in the Trafford Centre to fund her MSc in International Fashion & Business she went on to work as an Ecommerce Trading Assistant for a company with its HQ less than 20 miles away and is currently a Digital Content Co-ordinator for an International Birmingham Organisation. Both of these companies have shops in Warrington. It's interesting to note that both jobs probably didn't exist when we were at school but they are now well established professions. 

As you say a lot of people shop on line so she is learning about the IT side of the business as a way of developing her career in fashion. Who knows what will happen next but she feels that she is best placed where she is in order to take the next opportunity as more changes come along?

Her degree research was to analyse and study the way Miss Selfridge customers shop and she did I think address the issues that you describe with reference to size, shopping experience, returns, on-line campaigns etc. She is always looking for ways to get a commercial advantage and as far as M&S is concerned it looks like they stopped doing this and stood still which as we all know will lead to failure.

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observer    588

Well, seems they have no record of a condition or 106 agreement with M&S, at the Planning Dept;  must have been that Spring cleaning !    :ph34r:

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grey_man    172

To be fair to the retired and very experienced head of planning who was the only person involved, nobody could have predicted that the destruction of the entire planning record for the Borough would ever cause any problems. :evil:

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observer    588

Seems we can't have a cold case investigation of WBC planning dept, in the absence of written records.

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Confused52    10

Obs,

What there is online is the following:

On WBC Application 91/26863 In Section 22 Planning Appeal Decision is the Appeal Decision on the Outline Planning Application lost at 91/26862! It includes a copy of the Inspectors Report from the Planning Enquiry. In Section 4.1.4 it contains the following text:

"Undertakings are given to retain the M&S stores which do exist at St Helen's, Wigan and Warrington (M&S33(i-11))."

Now if I had the money to write a City Of Culture Application I would spend it instead on asking the Planning Inspectorate about the documents they hold from the  planning inquiry held into the outline application by:
Leonora J Rozee BA(Hons) MRTPI
on 10-12, 16-18, 23-26 June 1992

File Numbers PNW/5150/219/9 & PNW/5150/21/139

The Planning Inspectorate should still have access to the documents.

Since WBC don't seem to have found it maybe you can have the cold case investigation after all!

 

 

 

 

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