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Billywires well know blogger on a local site says

"Heard this morning on Radio 5 a buoyed Len McLuskey talking about the now real potential of de-selection of Labour MPs who were both disloyal and hostile to Jeremy since he became Labour leader. And this to happen before the now inevitable next election within 6-8 months. Helens name appeared on that now famous traitors list as leaked to the media. Interesting times"

when challenged he went onto say

"Its not nonsense.Thats what he said. Disloyal MPs would be rooted out and replaced with ones more aligned to Jeremys way of thinking.Check it out for yourself if you like. What’s the betting she’ll be pictured wearing a Jezza t-shirt by the end of the week?! "

This guy is a bit obsessed about his MP but you know how these things work. :ph34r:

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2 minutes ago, observer said:

Well it would certainly make sense to clean house, now that he owns it !    :ph34r:

Billy continues

"Plenty MP's who didn’t’ want him as leader but accepted the result anyway. And there are some MP's who went out of their way to criticise him directly or encourage their family and staff to do likewise. Len Mc stated that they see it as a great opportunity to capitalise on their seemingly positive engagement with younger voters by promoting younger members to become Labour MP’s, sooner rather than later. And preferably those with a more socialist outlook. That would appear to rule Helen out on both counts. It makes perfect sense that Jeremy Corbyn will want to have Labour party parliamentary colleagues who genuinely reflect his own socialist views. It also makes sense to capture the moment of this election and the upsurge in the youth vote by bringing in younger MP’s who will connect better with larger parts of the electorate. It is an interesting development in this political week of weeks"

No one expected the Spanish inquisition...... :rolleyes:

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asperity    266

Well actually they did Geoff, because the Inquisition told their "victims" in advance that they would be brought in for questioning. You need to watch QI more (and I need to get out more :D).

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observer    588

For once Geoff, I agree with your analysis  :mellow:   The problem of course is: with a probable election within the year, will he do it ? And how would a purge affect his support in the country ?  And would a purge lead to the resurgence of a new centre Party, possibly under the likes of Bliar and Ashdown. Which in turn, could split the anti-Tory vote, anti-Brexit vote ?     :ph34r:

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I can't take credit - the analysis was all Billywires who claims to be a Labour Party member and has lots of tales to tell - not sure how true they are but he does seem to have inside knowledge.

He is very bitter about his local MP HJ and writes huge chucks at a time that he cuts and pastes into other subject posts.

He also has an arch rival called Positron, who hates the new Police Commissioner. 

Their rivalry has been going on a long time - they write like they are ex-councillors or councillors. 

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A very good question that I don't know the answer to.

I think that they may well have been jilted and using their knowledge and info on the internet tries to keep up to date, perhaps they have an insider source?

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Sha    112

I think Corbyn would be daft NOT to have a purge!  There are some MP's who, despite his recent success will continue to try to undermine him.

What he also needs to do is to get down to grass roots and assess how effectively labour majority towns such as Warrington are operating and force them to operate in a way that reflects his brand of 'labour values'.

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Davy51    232

De-selection because they had a different view to the leader is surely discriminatory & undemocratic & takes us back to the days of Militant Tendency & 3 day weeks.Middle aged & older voters will remember the years when the country was held to ransom by power hungry union leaders & the Labour tail wagged the Labour dog.

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Confused52    10

Correct Davy, we are already there with Momentum. Giving power to the unions is disastrous because they are naturally driven primarily by self-interest, it is what they are about and it leads to unwillingness to change (the NHS is our most expensive example of this - any change is always a supposed cut with emotional blackmail).

While we are at it McDonnell said that if Labour lost he and Corbyn would resign. https://order-order.com/2017/06/11/270145/ Labour lost and they are still here fantasising about forming a government. The centrist part of the Labour Party, concerned about the national interest before Party, should take steps now before it is too late.

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What about each constituency has to go through the selection process - this is what happened for councillors if you remember at the last council election - 12 months ago?

Each seat is up for grabs and there is no 'Go straight to the election as a candidate CARD' you have to pitch your case to your constituency members after you have successfully been through the vetting/interview process there is no right of passage for sitting MPs

I think that's what he means.

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Confused52    10

Geoff that is no different in practice when you have a baying mob like Momentum and unions threatening to with draw funding like they did in the Birmingham Mayoral election. Labour in Warrington was not a good role model either in my view since it was riddled with cliques. If you really want to be democratic then use open Primaries where Momentum cannot rig the result with intimidation or anything else and the unions have to take the public's choice. I expect that you can required voters to register as supporters but not members (an essential change to move away from the current position). Oh and forget the vetting because it looks like vote rigging. Without that set of changes it is just a putsch driven by the Socialist Workers Party and hangers on, whilst being encouraged and tweaked by the unions. Eventually even the students might notice what is going on if it turns up on facebook enough!

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Davy51    232

Yes Confused,you would think the two smiling Lefties had won the Election. Their way to a coalition government would be even more chaotic than the Tory version.

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asperity    266

You beat me to it Confused :D.

As for the Tories having an alliance with the DUP being a bad idea, well Labour tried to get the DUP to support them after the 2010 and 2015 elections. Hypocritical politicians.

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observer    588

A reliance on a mobilised  gullible youth isn't new: Adolf did it and so did Mao.  They are young enough to be free  from cynicism and believe promises. However, the demographic that concerns me are the older, so-called "left behind" who've voted Labour all their lives, but have been ignored by successive Parties of all colours. In the face of the domination of Labour by the Metropolitan elite, allowing us to be swamped by migrants, EU dominion,  PC impositions etc; this proletariat turned to UKIP and generally voted to leave the EU: logic would have suggested that in order to protect their referendum decision, this group would have lent their vote to the only viable anti-EU Party (the Tories) at this election, but no.  Many returned to their old tribal habits, no doubt based on genuine concerns about austerity (which for them as always existed), and allowed the current mahem to be created. :(   As for the DUP, the Conservative and Unionist Party has always had a relationship with them, and the logic of maintaining a majority with their support is a clear expedient.   :ph34r:

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