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1871 Edwin Wheeldon, Woolpack pub, Sankey Street

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Hello I'm new here, so hoping I'm posting this in the right place.

 

Somehow googled my way here whilst researching my Wheeldon ancestors, and was looking for an old photo of the Woolpack pub that was on Sankey Street. But doesn't seem to be any such photo online, does anyone know where I might find one?

 

Noted this entry from list compiled by your forums member algy at his topic

"Ale Houses, Inn's, Tavern & Hotels, Warrington 1871-1895. Pt 3" - from 1871 Worral's Directory........
Woolpack  -  51 Sankey Street  -  Edwin Wheeldon

 

I've been researching Edwin Wheeldon's story.  He was from Derby, born 1820 and brother of my g.g.g.grandma Mary Topping nee Wheeldon, who also ended up in Lancashire - (in Blackburn in fact where I still live). I have the 1871 census image for Edwin and his family at the Woolpack - I can share that if anyone interested. By 1881 census Edwin was recorded as “retired innkeeper” living at 115 Lovely Lane, Warrington, then in 1891 at 1 Goulden Street where he died in 1898. His widow Ann and youngest daughter Mary were still at 1 Goulden Street in the 1901 census.

 

Also have scan of a newspaper page from 1872 which includes a report about Edwin and the pub -  so for interest, here's my transcription of it:

 

from - The Manchester Evening News, Tuesday, April 16th, 1872
"...IMPORTANT TO PUBLICANS. - At the Warrington Police Court, yesterday, Mr. Edwin Wheeldon, manager of the Woolpack beerhouse, for Mr. Walker, brewer, was summoned for selling exciscable liquors in premises not licensed for that purpose. It appeared that Mr. Walker had purchased the Woolpack public house, which he afterwards enlarged, in order to meet the requirements of the public. The new premises were opened for the sale of excisable liquors on Saturday week, and the old portion of the building was shut up. The prosecution alleged that the new premises were of such a nature as to necessitate an application being made for a fresh licence, but admitted that portions of the new building were erected on the old site. After an hour's consultation, the magority of the bench was in favour of the defendant being find £5 and costs. An appeal was granted."

 

 

Wondering if I have any Wheeldon distant cousins still living in Warrington!? :P

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if you are a library member it may be worth having a look at what warrington library have don't know if they have a picture archive online that will show the pub but worth a look anyway.

There is a map that one of posters put in a topic not too long ago that showed the position of all the pubs in warrington from 1884.

 

I remember the woolpack as being in bold street many years ago, a favourite venue for me and the lads in the late seventies and handy for the chinese restaurant which was directly opposite.

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https://www.hpacde.org.uk/cheshire/jpgh/c02381.jpg

 

found this image not sure if it is the woolpack but seems to be in about the right place. you may have to purchase it if you need a copy.

 

on the livewire website is a link to cheshire archives. click that and select search the archives. click the W button and select warrington and it will give a selection of pictures you can view. i think this one is on about page sixteen ( i had it set to ten pictures per page there 301 altogether) hope this helps.

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Thanks very much Sid,

 

Yes it does look on that old photo that's the Woolpack on the corner doesn't it, when compared to a modern photo of the location.....

here at google maps............. https://goo.gl/cwwNr1  Now Specsavers & where Bold Street meets Sankey Street if I've got that right?.

And with The White Hart still there on the opposite corner, also listed as another pub on Sankey Street on algy's 1871 list

 

and from the sign on the old photo, it looks that was Tetleys - who I understand took over Walkers brewery who had already owned the Woolpack.

That's great - I'll go and find that image via the Cheshire Archives route as you described.

 

Really grateful for this, many thanks. :)  :)

Cas

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Cas,

 

this is another shot of the same pub but with more traffic :)

 

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and after they demolished the one above, they built a new pub and called that the Woolpack. It was situated about 40 yards up the street on the right of the photo above (Where the MK2 Consul is pulling out of and where the cycle is turning into)

 

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Hope these help

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I don't remember the old Woolpack & the new left me completely cold. I thought it was a soulless place & have only ever been in there twice.Pretty much like the new Britannia with its modern 60s/70s decor changed the pub completely.

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Bazj,

Thanks very much for posting the old image, that's a good view of it on both sides of the corner, isn't it. Is it OK if I save a copy of it? I'm trying to "officially" get a copy of the other one that Evil Sid directed me to too.

 

What a pity it was demolished, a fine old building with character, unlike the replacement Woolpack you posted the image of. Yes, that looks typical of the 60s/70s type concrete boxes and does look pretty soul-less as Davy51 commented.

 

I came across another old photo on the Warrington History Society site - quite a way down this page......
http://warringtonhistorysociety.uk/public-timekeeping-in-warrington/
this is their image url (hope I'm allowed to post link to it here)....
https://i2.wp.com/warringtonhistorysociety.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/eustances_clock.jpg

and if I've recognised it correctly - it looks as though that's the Woolpack on the corner and judging from the appearance of the old clock on the building opposite, this must be an older photo.

 

Really glad I googled to this forum, you've been really helpful, many thanks to all  :P

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Cas I didn't hink I had any photos other than the same two that BazJ posted but I just looked through all the old pics I have again and have now found these two which show the Woolpack (dated 1920 and c1925)

I must have looked at these hundreds of times over the years but until I saw your link to the image from the Warrington History Society's page I hadn't realised the building after Eustance's on these I have was the Woolpack.

I'm so glad you posted this topic or I would still be non the wiser :D

Click to enlarge....

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Oh what fabulous old images Dizzy, thank you! They give a real "feel" of how it was in the old days, don't they. Especially that lower one - including the shop fronts, old style vehicles, pram, and the Charlie Chaplin look-alike on the left facing the camera!


 


It was because of those posted by Evil Sid and bazj that I then was able to recognise the Woolpack pub on the photo on the History Society's page - which then led to these posted by yourself!


 


You amazing people! Thank you all so much!


 


Cas :P :P  :P


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PS - for interest, this is the 1872 newspaper cutting I talked about.........

(hope this works!)

 

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Interesting news clip Cas.  I wonder if they appealed and were successful or if they just paid their £5 fine?

An online Historical Inflation Calculator shows that as being equivalent to £540 in today's money. 

It doesn't seem much really for selling without a license tut tut :wink:

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Cas in your opening post you mentioned that by 1881 census Edwin was recorded as “retired innkeeper” living at 115 Lovely Lane.

Am I right then in thinking that your Edwin (born 1820) had a son also called Edwin (born c1869 in Southport?)

If so I think this record from the Nation Schools Admissions Registers & Log Books for 1870 to 1914) is his son (Edwin juniors) admission record as it shows an address of Lovely Lane too....

You probably have it already though through your own research if I'm right..... thought I'd post in anyway before I loose it. 

These two records are dated 1883 when Edwin Jnr was 14 and shows his father (Edwin Snr) as being a 'gentleman'

Click to enlarge...hope you can read them :D

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Seems that Edwin Jnr then went on to become a Reverend ....

The news clip about his death is too long to post in one image on here so wont be readable when uploaded due to viewing constraints so I'll have to crop it into sections tomorrow when I have more time (oops it;s almost 2am now....I get carried away) but it says he was....

A native of Southport and educated at Warrington Grammar School and St Bees College.
Ordained at Liverpool
First Curacy was at St. Polycarps, Everton
He was then Curate at Biddulph for 7 and 1/2 years
After 2 years as curate-in-charge at Meir he became Vicar of Buddulph where he remained for 15 years
He was then appointed to Horton and held that position for 14 years
He'd was the Vicar of Horton (near Leek).

When Edwin Jnr died, aged 64, his wife was on holiday with their youngest son who was also a Vicar, (he was The Rev C B Wheeldon and was the Rector of Stretton in Rutlandshire)

Strange to think that Edwin Snr who ran a pub and got fined for selling liquor without a license could have had a son who became a vicar and in turn a grandson too who also became a vicar.....

Sorry Cas...I tend to get carried away looking and no doubt you have all that too.  At least I'm making use of my Ancestry & FMP subscriptions again having now drawn a blank on going back any further with my own family research after years of looking ha ha.  Mine are are a boring lot and a pain in the <you know where> at times ha ha

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Thanks Baz & Diz for posting the photographs. Anyone know why the building was demolished? It looks in pretty good condition.

It's probably not the time for me to be looking at these types of old photos though - with the threat of the destruction of the interior of the town centre library, the threat of demolition of the cabinet works, the Cairo St School and relocation (demolition) of the water tower, the soon to be demolished Bridge St Chambers etc.

All this impending destruction and the cr@p about compiling a 'digital history' to replace the buildings they are planning to destroy just gets me angry.

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Hi Dizzy and Sha,

 

Dizzy thank you so much for those admission registers images and information about Edwin Wheeldon Junior. Oh wow that's great! I had on census documents that he was born in Southport though two younger sisters were born in Warrington. (Edwin Snr also had older children from his first marriage - his first wife Sarah died 1865 at Woodchurch, Birkenhead, then in 1867 he married Ann Burrow in Plemstall, north west Cheshire, then they moved to north of the Mersey - must've been Southport first then to Warrington.)

 

As yet I'd only reached the stage where had suspected Edwin Jnr might have become a Vicar or Priest, because discovered him in the 1891 Cumberland census at St Bees as "a student of theology"  here......

 

1891 census ref: RG12 / 4316 Folio 93 Page 8, sch no 57.
Cumberland, Whitehaven, Village and Parish of St Bees.
Parliamentary Division: Egremont, Grindal Place,

(A number of residents of different surnames here, including.............)
Edwin Wheeldon - Lodger - Single - 22 (b.1869) - Student Of Theology - b.Southport, Lancashire.

 

Egremont was his mother Ann's town of birth, so possibly also had maternal family connections in that area.

 

(Interesting to think that this Edwin Wheeldon Jnr was first cousin to my great-great-granddad Edwin Topping who by that time was living in Blackburn, and one of my Edwin Topping's sons (my granddad's uncle) also became a Reverend)

 

Really grateful for the following information Dizzy - I didn't have any of this yet - wonderful!!

 

.................... A native of Southport and educated at Warrington Grammar School and St Bees College.
Ordained at Liverpool
First Curacy was at St. Polycarps, Everton
He was then Curate at Biddulph for 7 and 1/2 years
After 2 years as curate-in-charge at Meir he became Vicar of Buddulph where he remained for 15 years
He was then appointed to Horton and held that position for 14 years
He'd was the Vicar of Horton (near Leek).

When Edwin Jnr died, aged 64, his wife was on holiday with their youngest son who was also a Vicar, (he was The Rev C B Wheeldon and was the Rector of Stretton in Rutlandshire)............................. etc

 

Oh my! that's so interesting, I'm going to study all this some more now about Edwin Jnr. I know what you mean about getting carried away looking around the records - I do that too! I'd felt I'd gone as far back as I can for now with my direct ancestors, so started looking in more depth at some of their siblings & descendents.

 

Talk again ............. thanks so much. :P :P

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Hiya Cas, I'm so glad you found the info re Edwin Jnr useful to your research.  I presumed you might have already found it so nearly didn't post it but so I'm glad I did now :D

I've not got Edwin seniors other marriage on my search 'tree' yet so will look into and add that and keep looking for other stuff for you when I have time.

Here's the newspaper clip I mentioned found for Rev Edwin Jnr's death where it says who went to his funeral, his past service, how well respected he was, and mention if his youngest son the Rev C B Wheeldon Rector of Stretton (NOT Stretton in Warrington though but Stretton in Rutlandshire)

I hope you can read it ok :D

Click to enlarge...but if you can't read it let me know and I'll split it down into bigger individual section uploads which will easier to read than one full image.

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Hey Diz, you're on the ball this week! That funeral notice might be handy for Cas, gives a list of names of relatives, nephews / nieces with different surnames. Edwin must have had at least one sister to have a nephew called Jackson. It's amazing how the pieces come together when you do some research isn't it?

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Hello again Dizzy and Sha,

 

Thank you so much Dizzy, I can read it all very clearly. It's wonderful to have this and will get me moving along with more research on my Wheeldon cousins!. Haven't a lot of time just now - off to babysit my grandsons in a minute - but needed to pop in to see this and drop a few lines, then will be back some time over weekend.

 

About Edwin Wheeldon Junior's siblings - I don't know the Jackson connection yet (though Bradwell rings bells) - but won't be through his two sisters born in Warrington, as there were only 2 (as far as I can find) - Eliza Wheeldon who was an infant death (born/died 1871), and Mary Wheeldon b.1870 who seems to have remained unmarried until her elderly death in Warrington in 1941 (been trying to find her on the 1939 register database at FMP but no luck with that). The sisters Eliza and Mary were both baptised at Holy Trinity, Warrington. The baptism records confirm father Edwin's occupation as Innkeeper, and abode - Sankey Street.

 

But anyway, Edwin Jnr had half-siblings (born in Derby) from his father Edwin Snr's first marriage (to Sarah Haynes b.in Derby). The youngest was Catherine who must've moved to the pub in Warrington with her dad, step-mum & half-brother Edwin Jnr, as I've found her burial record (on Lancashire OPC) - died age 20..................

Burial: 2 Dec 1869 St Elphin, Warrington.
 Catherine Wheeldon - Age: 20 yrs Abode: Sankey St.
     Buried by: Fras. Tofts / Register: Burials 1863 - 1875, Page 202, Entry 1611

 

Need to reflect back to the other Derby-born half-siblings to see what I'd already got for them, and study more closely the information in the funeral news clip.

 

Edwin Jnr's mother (Edwin Snr's widow), Ann Wheeldon (nee Burrow) died in 1913 in Warrington age 82.

 

Ann with unmarried daughter Mary seem to be the only remaining Wheeldons in Warrington by the 1911 census (unless I've missed others).

 

Many thanks again, I'll be back. :P  :P

 

Cas

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Hello Dizzy and everyone,

 

Not done much research this week, but got some more census images. So just a little update on my Wheeldons, (might be useful info for someone else googling for Warrington Wheeldons in the future)

 

1911 Warrington census ref - RG14 / 23132 / Reg Dist 459 /Sub-dist 4 / En.dist 2 / Sch.No.76
(Edwin Senior's widow Ann Wheeldon, and unmarried daughter Mary)

50 Norris St. Warrington.
Ann Wheeldon / Head / Widow / Private Income / age 80 b.Cumberland Egremont
Mary Wheeldon / Dau / Single / House Keeper (at home) / age 41  b.Lancashire Warrington

 

number of rooms in the house = 6 / number of children born: 3 / still living: 2 / died: 1 / Ann's signature is on the document.

 

Both Ann and Mary died in Warrington, Ann in1913, Mary in 1941.

 

Edwin Wheeldon Junior, the clergyman......
1901 Census -  in Leek, Staffordshire as "Clergyman (Church of England)"
with wife Isabel Maud, their first child - another Edwin b1899, and two servants.

 

1911 Census - now resident at The Rectory on Biddulph Moor with his younger son Charles (b1903), and a servant.
Older son Edwin is resident at boarding school in Leatherhead, Surrey, at "St Johns Foundation School for sons of Clergy of the Church of England".
Wife Isabel is in Colwyn Bay, resident with two other ladies, surname Hayes, at what looks like might be a holiday cottage. The bottom right corner of the form is signed by one of the other ladies and with her address in Leigh Lancashire. (ie - not the Colwyn Bay address they were at).

 

A bit of an ironic twist to this story is that Edwin Wheeldon Senior and his first wife Sarah (before their marriage) in 1841 census were working as servants to a clergyman in a Rectory in Radbourne, Derbyshire! and it ends up that his own son becomes vicar at a Rectory, with his own servants!  :P

 

Bye for now

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