fugtifino Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Well, there's the thing you see, the info I posted is about what's happening in America now, not what's been happening on the other side of the world for 50 years or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 So, selective criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 You say that like it's a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Of course it is; if one enters the business of right and wrong; one has to apply an even handed approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Right/wrong, black/white, all or nothing? I've found life to be a little more nuanced than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 I've found "nuanced" to be a word, oft used by liberals to enable their hypocracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Ok, so, forgive me for putting you on the spot, but judging by your posts on here it looks like you're supportive of Trump's border ban. Are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Has Trump banned borders? Has anyone told the press yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 <sigh> Well, if you're feeling the need to be wilfully obtuse, does that mean it's time for Pigeon Chess again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 What's all this "are you" business ? I would think it obvious by my posts that I support the right (in fact duty) of a US President to protect US citizens, by having a vetting system on entrants to his Country. The sooner HMG get a similar grip, the better. Just get on with it, and ignore the toys being thrown out of the prams; it's time for some wisdom, not wet nappies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 That's a yes then. Thanks. Do you support the policy of those countries that deny entry to people from Israel? Btw, this "are you" business is because you're so slippery. But you knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 The principle is, that any Country has the right to vet access to any would be entrant, and veto those it believes are a threat to their security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Another yes then, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 It's all very simple and common sense Fugs, and not "nuanced" at all ! As an aside, on the issue of alienating certain religions: The British constitution bans Roman Catholics (and presumably other non-CofE religions) from becoming Head of State (IE King or Queen) - perhaps something else to protest about ? ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 No it isn't, and I've told you before, there's no such thing as common sense. I get the bit about maintaining security but both these prohibitions go beyond that to the point where they are discriminatory. Now that's selective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 That's a vetting process for you - discriminatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Are you in favour of discrimination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 As I've just pointed out to you Fugs, our own constitution (law of the land) is "discriminatory"; in that it bans Catholics from becoming Monarch - so get out protesting about that ! Selection is used in every walk of life, get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Why are you telling me to go out protesting about that? With all your so called strong principles, have you ever felt strongly enough to go out and protest about anything? I don't give two hoots about the monarchy, catholicism, or religion in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 Neither do I, but you do claim to oppose discrimination; our constitution clearly "discriminates" against Catholics. btw: positive discrimination, is exactly that - "discrimination" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 I don't just claim to oppose it, I do. When was the last time this particular kind of discrimination was applied? And what on earth does it have to do with the 45th President of the USA? And how does it feel to champion a man who's known to be liar, and also gets others to do it for him? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/kellyanne-conway-refugees-bowling-green-massacre-never-happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 When ? When wasn't it applicable ? All States have had visa vetting systems, until the EU scrapped internal controls with Shengen. What does it have to do with Trump ? Well, that's a good question for the protesters, seeing he's merely ensuring the US has an adequate vetting system. I don't champion the man particularly, merely this policy; and as for being a liar, he's certainly in good company with a host of politicians starting with Bliar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 The Succession to the Monarchy is enshrined in the law of the land & is not discriminatory since the monarch is the Defender of the (Protestant) Faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Ah, thanks. In response to obs: Sorry, maybe I should have used the word "used" instead of "applied". Alternatively, when was the last time that someone of one faith was prohibited from marrying someone of another faith because one of them was one of the royals. If you're still confused, try it this way: when was the last time it made a difference to anyone on the planet? Oh, and do you have a link to what you think is our "constitution"? he's merely ensuring the US has an adequate vetting system Do you really believe that this is all he's trying to do here? I don't champion the man particularly, merely this policy Ooh, I dunno, you're trying to make a good fist of it. Hope it works out for you. And, you used the word "merely" twice in a couple of lines, that suggests how easy you think it all is. as for being a liar, he's certainly in good company with a host of politicians starting with Bliar Won't argue with you there but, funnily enough, I don't regard that as a positive. This just in: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38864253 Hope you're comfy with your new bedfellows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Indeed, I do think it's straight forward, made a complex issue by the hysterics of a naïve liberal minority, throwing their toys out of the pram, cos they didn't get their way in an election; just like the remoaners over here. Dave, it discriminates against none-CoE faiths; and has only recently been ammended so as not to be discriminatory on the basis of gender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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