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Brexit - we are all doomed!!!

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You've got basket case economies like Portugal, Italy, Greece & Spain, still in the EU, and the EU doesn't prevent them from becoming basket cases, in fact their austerity dictates probably make matters worse. So too, if the UK is so bad, why are over 3 million migrants over here ? So skip the gloom and doom, put your dummy back in, and just get on with it.

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You keep referring to currency fluctuations etc; these are created by global speculators, are we to divest ourselves of the democratic rights of the people to control their own Nations, or should we scrap democracy and merely pander to the exploitative tendencies of banks ? Remembering of course, that they messed it up in 2008, and "the people" are still paying for it with austerity. They should have been swinging from lamp posts in Canary Wharf imo.

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Unemployment is coming down in Greece, and you are avoiding the question, why not answer it?

 

by a massive 1.2% in over a year and still at a figure in excess of 23%.... wow.... the 1.3% fall since October 2015 is probably due to people dying of hunger brought on by the massive austerity imposed by the EU :)

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Greece was already a basket case, which was then given a AAA credit rating just the same as the big economic power houses, a ten year cash binge followed of the 'hairdressing is a dangerous profession, they should retire on a full pension at 50' variety, in its greed to swallow up the little countries, the EU copped a belly ache with that one.

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One of the problems with many EU countries is their economies are tourist based & if their fellow Europeans are not getting a good deal in these countries because they are all tied into the same Euro currency they will either go elsewhere or stay at home.I think if the UK had joined the Euro ,the attraction of getting a good deal on your holiday would have disappeared & the British love of continental holidays would have diminished.

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You keep referring to currency fluctuations etc; these are created by global speculators, are we to divest ourselves of the democratic rights of the people to control their own Nations, or should we scrap democracy and merely pander to the exploitative tendencies of banks ? Remembering of course, that they messed it up in 2008, and "the people" are still paying for it with austerity. They should have been swinging from lamp posts in Canary Wharf imo.

So do you think our currency once outside the EU will go back to previous levels Obs, or go down further?

 

And have you heard, a sting economy needs a strong currency, or do you not believe that either.

 

And if you don't think our currency will go back up, why did you not tell the people that things were going to cost more, lets nail this now, I look forward to your honest to your honesty or not as the case may be, or will you avoid as usual

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Well, according to the papers; we're having a record "BREXIT SPEND THIS XMAS" ; so get a drink Kije and stop whining. :lol: Heard a Pole on TV, saying the low Pound isn't making it worth working in the UK, and that his mates are talking of going home - so, a good argument for a low Pound I guess !

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I see the people of Flixton are up in arms over plans to build thousands of new homes on green belt land on the outskirts of SW Manchester. Yet the majority of Trafford borough voted to remain in the EU referendum.

 

Maybe they didn't realise that we need to build a "Coventry" every year just to cope with net immigration, this year, next year and so on for as long as we are in the EU. They deserve everything they get, they want their cake AND eat it.

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Alas, not just from the EU TF:   another 50% comes from outside the EU, and they're still coming, with 10,000 waiting at Calais to come over.  Then you've got those that enter "legally", like the Mickey Mouse Uni students; only to overstay their visas and disappear into the population.  It's an absolute sick joke (on us), perpetrated by naïve, bleeding heart liberals, pandering with sentiment to the cheap labour requirements of global capitalism.

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It is no wonder some captains of industry love the EU when they are allowed to bring in foreign labour to the UK on zero hours contracts & pay them less than the minimum wage.

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Seems the Gov are conducting raids on Nail Bars, in an effort to catch illegal immigrants, who are allegedly being exploited as "slave" labour. Whilst any move to counter exploitation must be welcome; it will be interesting to learn the fate of such "migrants" after being rounded up ? Will they be immediately deported or will they apply for asylum, and remain in the UK for years, while the HR Lawyers plead their case, with legal aid supplied by the tax-payers ?

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Just hope none of the 'kiddies' we let in turn out like the 12 year old arrested in Germany trying to set off a nail bomb!

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Just hope none of the 'kiddies' we let in turn out like the 12 year old arrested in Germany trying to set off a nail bomb!

A 12 year old who tried TWICE in the spate of a week to set it off too. 

 

Pretty scary thought that someone so young as that could try to make a nail bomb in the 'hope' of killing and/or maiming innocent people :(

 

What an awful and shocking world we live in.....

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Seems the PM and anyone with common sense, has realised that we can't have the cake and eat it - escape from the free movement dictate of Brussels means no access to the single market of the EU protection racket. So be it. Just get a grip of uncontrolled immigration Theresa, start deporting illegal entrants asap, start training our indigenous workforce and ensuring that not working no longer pays, start limiting economic migration with fixed term visas and trade with the rest of the world on the basis of reciprocal bi-lateral trade deals. If the Remoaners try to sabotage a hard Brexit, call a General Election and give the people the opportunity to purge these liberal elitists from the public arena.

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Sadly I made a pledge to my self not to comment on this subject matter ever again!  :lol:

Thank goodness for that :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Seems that if the Gov aren't carefull, we could be leaving the frying pan, merely to enter the fire. The whole point imo, of Brexit, was to escape a single market trade agreement, which bound us to accept the free movement of labour and thus immigration. Now, the signals from India, Australia and the US, suggest that any trade agreements would require a relaxation of visa controls on their citizens entering the UK.

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Seems the E U  President, who's decided not to stand again for the Office, has spotted the glaringly obvious weakness in the EU negotiating position - they've got to get 27 countries to agree on one deal, and there's clearly no unity of purpose or interest between them.

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When I think of our relationship with Europe, two experiences of mine come to hand. The first is when myself and my family were on holiday in Alcudia. On the night of the world cup final in which Spain were playing, we went out to a restaurant for the evening. It was occupied by around 80% British the remainder being Irish, scandos and a single Spanish family of husband, wife and two kids.

 

We brits were up and down buying drinks throughout the match, ordering food etc. The Spanish family, proudly sat there with their spain shirts on, bought a solitary bottle of beer for the husband which he made last the whole two hours, his wife and kids got nothing whatsoever.

 

the other story concerns the factory where I work. They put out for quotes on a large conveyorisation system of auto cars, palletisers, conveyors etc. There were two companies in the running, a German and an American company. After the bidding it was agreed that the German company would carry out the installation. As an electrician, I was helping their engineers for a few weeks, and found them to be a great set of lads. They told me that this order had saved their company (it was 2009), they had no other orders and would have closed or massively reduced numbers if we hadn't have come along. As it happened, it kept them going through the difficult period and they are still going today.

 

The moral is that Brits love to spend, even in difficult times, and that Europe needs us as much as we need them.

 

On another note it's funny to read the change in opinion of the Aussies. Just after the Brexit vote they were coming out with their usual anti-English, chip on each shoulder bile, "we'll deal with Europe before the Poms" etc. Now they seem to have changed their tune, perhaps they are not looking forward to selling their wine to the French, Spanish, Italians and the wine connaseurs of  eastern Europe.

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