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Amongst other positive news:

 

http://thetechportal.com/2016/11/26/jaguar-announces-new-jobs-post-brexit-uk/

 

Though no doubt the remainers will claim all these jobs will be "zero hour contract" with no workers rights.

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The Working Time Directive didn't really benefit our labour force. Its only stipulations were that workers had to be given a 20 minute break after every 6 hour period of work. As far as transport was concerned ,it meant drivers could work up to 15 hours a day for 3 days of the working week ,still 9 hours or 10 twice a week driving periods. Most of the working population were protected better by previously fought for rights negotiated by unions.

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This crunch term we keep hearing from the EU ...."free movement of Labour" ,is the solution in the word itself ,"labour" ?  If the government agrees to accept  free movement of labour surely it can then stipulate that this  "labour" has a job to come to & following on from that exclude all other immigrants that are not classed as "labour".

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Positive news, Asp?  Tata Motors owned by INDIA.

Did you read the full article?  Slipped in at the end are clues to what they want in return.

 

"Tata Motors owned car manufacturer also called upon the UK Government to fix shortages in energy and infrastructure investments. It asked the government to invest £450 million in Midlands infrastructure, stating that it wanted to use the UK as a base to counter the rapidly growing influence of the German automotive industry."

 

'fix shortages in energy and infrastructure investments'  ...........commit to more nuclear power stations owned by India and giving most of the profits to India.

'the government to invest £450 million in Midlands infrastructure'.............pay for the b***** factories to be built?

& to help India get one up on the German automotive industry............that will go down with Europe and hinder our more local trading opportunities!

 

The thought of India, or anyone other than ourselves for that matter, having any control of our Nuclear Power stations really worries me. 

 

Lastly, the minimum wage filtered down to us from Euro law and prior to the EU what real chance did anyone have of getting their (very sparce) workers rights upheld without the weight of European law enforcement. 

Also if we've got £450million spare to invest -it should be used to promote British owned industry - which pays it's full share of tax here.

 

Also mentioned is GlaxoSmithKlein .........who want to supply the NHS with vastly overpriced goods,  Facebook and Google who have a problem when it comes to paying tax here. 

Nothing in this article gives me any optimism, in fact  it makes me seriously inclined to join the campaigns to stay in Europe!

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I never wanted the UK to join the Common Market in the first place. We had the Commonwealth which had provided  us with our necessities for a hundred years & which had supported us in 2 world wars which had comprised of some of the countries we now wanted to climb into bed with. We turned our back on the Commonwealth as trading partners to cosy up to some dodgy nations.As it happened ,the following referendum said we should stay in Europe.

 

My main objection with the EU is that successive governments have given away degrees of sovereignty of the UK with various treaties in the name of closer political ties ...that can't be right.I would be much happier if we went back to the days of the Common Market with looser ties with Europe & were also allowed to forge trade links worldwide. The Common Market did us no favours though with its farming & fishing dictats that meant many of our most efficient food producers had to cease trading.

We certainly 'had' the Commomwealth  ----- which we robbed blind of their resources to provide vast riches to the wealthy of Britain whilst the poorer classes remained in poverty, and it was the poorer classes who took the brunt when we were inundated with Commonwealth peoples who had been given British passports as compensation for being robbed blind.  

History doesn't seem to be your subject.

 

More presently, the farming industry was in fact overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in Europe and there is concern that many farmers will be forced out of business due to Brexit.

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This crunch term we keep hearing from the EU ...."free movement of Labour" ,is the solution in the word itself ,"labour" ?  If the government agrees to accept  free movement of labour surely it can then stipulate that this  "labour" has a job to come to & following on from that exclude all other immigrants that are not classed as "labour".

 

A good idea that might be Davy - but that is all it is -your idea!  It is certainly NOT what "free movement of labour" means to the EU and not what any deal on the table will be.

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Any wavering on the part of the Gov on the issue of "free movement", will be seen as a sell out by the electorate, and will spark a "revolution" at the next General Election, even fair minded Remainers accept that the people have spoken and now accept that "free movement" must end and if that means no access to "the single market" - so be it.  Yes, we are in for a bumpy ride, but we've been having a bumpy ride since the 2008 crash, caused by the speculations of global capitalism and it's casino banking, and the EU didn't save us from that. In fact, the EU and Osbourne ensured that ordinary people paid the price with draconian austerity, and continue to pay; while the rich are still getting richer.  Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal have been reduced to economic basket cases by EU enforced austerity, with record unemployment.  So being in the EU didn't save the working class, it actually made things worse. The fiscal discipline enforced by German banks on the Euro zone has merely exacerbated the problem of a fiscal union between different economic entities.   As for "workers' rights";  the foundations for worker protection in the UK were forged by trade unions, eventually accepted by a UK Parliament long before we joined the EU.  Despite additional legislation from the EU, workers rights have deteriorated due to the demise of trade unions; laws mean nothing if there is no organised labour to challenge employers on the shop floor; hence the advent of zero hour contracts and all the other exploitative practises of today.  As for the Commonwealth: the main reason I voted against the "Common Market" in the first referendum was that I couldn't see how joining a group of similar economies would benefit trade, when we already had a symbiotic trade system with the Commonwealth, IE: They sent us their foods and raw materials, and our factories (when we had them)  converted them into finished products to be exported back.  The EU on the other hand, had only the economic basket cases of southern, then eastern Europe to spend OUR money on, bringing them vast improvements in their infrastructure as net recipients of OUR cash. Alas, as we've seen, countries like Greece misspent it on a orgy of social extravagance, like early retirement schemes, that were never affordable or responsible, and eventually had to pay back the debt at the expense of their ultimate financial ruin. We joined an economic free trade area, then called the Common Market; but the Franco - German plan all along was the political unification of Europe into a single super-power State (the Fourth Reich), and still is.

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As far as "robbing blind" goes the idea of using cheap east European  labour  instead of our own labour to boost profits is no less reprehensible than plundering resources of countries.That seems to be the mantra of the Euro hierarchy. At least Britain left it's Commonwealth associates with infrastructure.

 

I seem to remember the CAP doing a lot of damage to farming production in this country & was geared to helping inefficient continental farmers. Production was stopped at many of our farms.

 

There was even a famous scam at the Irish border where the same cattle were being driven back & to across the border in return for subsidies.I think that was before Eire joined EU.

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So Sha, you don't want Tata to invest in the UK because it's an Indian company (which already invests in this country) because it wants the government to add to that investment? Did you have the same problem with Japanese company Nissan being subsidised by the government to open and expant its plant in Sunderland? Or any of the many other foreign companies that have invested in this country with government incentives?

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Just heard a little anecdote of a youngster sent home from a so-called reputable energy firm, because there was no work.  So sent home for half a day with no pay.  Such a stunt would have been impossible two decades ago, when workers were united in trade unions, and strike action a response. But I suppose, aside from the ignorance and naivity of todays youngsters; employers have the option to employ Poles or Czechs, who may not question such abuse. Failing that they've got the option of moving the jobs abroad. So perhaps the answer would be to re-nationalise these cowboy companies and tie the jobs to this country?   Be interested to know what EU law, if any, forbids such practise ?

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Or maybe not doomed...'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has backtracked on its gloomy post-Brexit forecast for the UK, saying it is likely the country will be the fastest growing major economy in 2016.' Taken from Yahoo Finance today.

But can we believe them now after all that nonsense leading up to the referendum?

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When it comes to predicting the future, these "experts" are no better placed than the Gypsy Woman on Blackpool pier, to forecast events. We've made a decision, now we've just got to get on with it, and stop trying to interfere and impede such negotiations; which, by their nature, need to be kept confidential. There's only one red line imo, and that is an end to "free movement" and if that means no access to the "single market", so be it. Given that the single market and customs union, are a posh name for a glorified protection racket, perhaps a return to WTO standards and bi-lateral agreements may prove better in the long run.

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Or maybe not doomed...'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has backtracked on its gloomy post-Brexit forecast for the UK, saying it is likely the country will be the fastest growing major economy in 2016.' Taken from Yahoo Finance today.

But can we believe them now after all that nonsense leading up to the referendum?

 

That subject has not made its way onto the BBC news as a positive aspect of Brexit. Maybe it was too optimistic for them.

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The mad scramble by EU migrants to get into the UK before we Brexit, has reached over a quarter of a million; causing many TV comentators to admit that the dire warnings from Farage were right.  The question this raises of course is;  if the EU is so fantastic, why are they all leaving it ?

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Surely, if the UK are one of the main contributors to the EU we should be getting compensation from the EU for the net figure that want to migrate to the UK. Some of these migrants are passing through several countries on the way to us which,if the EU is so good, should be just as good to settle in as Blighty.

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As I understand it Dave; these are from the EU (Poles, Chechs etc); waiting in Calais are over 10,000 illegals, who are refusing asylum in France (the EU); in favour of illegally entering the UK. So, it seems neither group have any confidence in the EU. Not forgetting of course, that any migrant granted asylum in the EU and subsequently given citizenship, will be entitled to free entry to any EU Country, including the UK, while we're still members.

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Great to see the glee shown by the BBC reporter & Reeta for that matter at Lib dem victory at Richmond. The official organ of Remain were delighted to speak of "one in the eye" for Brexit.

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Of no significance whatever Dave:  It's a no brainer to assume that a 70% Remain Constituency, would continue to vote "Remain"; transfer that argument to every other Constituency and you get a majority of "Leave" MPs; which I think is what is required, if we're going to get a  Parliament and Gov with the bottle and motivation to take us out of the EU completely, and that leaves us with only one choice in terms of Party.  Interesting speech from the winner though: where she referred to the "sophisticated" electorate in Richmond; meaning that Brexit voters are unsophisticated chavs, employing down to earth common sense against the naïve and arrogant liberalism of their betters !

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Remoaners can't help themselves, throwing insults at leave voters. I've even had it from certain members of my own family!

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Great to see the glee shown by the BBC reporter & Reeta for that matter at Lib dem victory at Richmond. The official organ of Remain were delighted to speak of "one in the eye" for Brexit.

I was tickled by the interview that the new LibRemainer MP gave on Talk Radio, when the show host started to mischievously enquire when the second By-election was to take place in line with her views on the Brexit vote she did an enormous flounce and 'had to leave'.

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Odd that what Brexit said was scaremongering is happening, prices going up, inward investment down ect :cry:

It turns out it was not scaremongering,

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No plague of frogs yet though !   :lol:                                                                                                                                                                                               

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If there was a second vote and I don't believe for one second that there will ever be, I would definitely vote to stay in and I admit it is purly for a  selfish reason in that I only remembered last week when I received our annual pension fund financial report that my pension now comes from Akzo Nobel in Holland, now that makes me just a little nervous!, (hopefully unfounded_.

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Seems the UK is now the fastest growing economy in the G7, not that I necessarily believe that either. Mark Carney (BoE) has pointed to globalisation as the main cause of the alienation of the Plebs, and predicts that this will be further exacerbated by the increasing use of robots displacing 15 million jobs. The fact is, the 2008 crash, combined with globalisation, the exporting of jobs, the importing of cheap labour and the resorting to austerity policies by Osbourne and the EU; have severely damaged living standards for the Plebs, while the Patricians have continued to amass more wealth. New technology will continue to displace workers; so the powers that be need to completely re-think the economic system and decide who it should actually be serving - a minority or the majority ?

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