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Well he would certainly know how to get us out of Europe.

Indeed "let's see"; with 1,000 lawyers now saying the referendum wasn't binding on Government; we can see them all working overtime to ignore the will of the people. Wonder how many of these lawyers a

35,453 Maidenhead voters did in the 2015 General Election....a 66% share of the vote. That being said I understand what you are saying, albeit the reality is that you don't actually vote for a Prime M

Good to see that since the referendum we no longer are going to be led by somebody nobody had the chance to vote for :wink:

35,453 Maidenhead voters did in the 2015 General Election....a 66% share of the vote. That being said I understand what you are saying, albeit the reality is that you don't actually vote for a Prime Minister directly. My thought is that given the current instability in the country, a G/E simply adds to that instability and uncertainty, coupled to which the largest opposition party is in total chaos and those who seem to be pushing for a G/E are only interested in reversing the democratic decision of the Referendum vote or trying to unite a very disunited party. Only turkeys who have lost the will to live vote for Christmas.

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Wasn't the referendum part of the election manifesto depending on the January negotiations ? In that case there should be no need for a GE ,just a by election for Dave's seat if he leaves Parliament altogether.

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Wasn't the referendum part of the election manifesto depending on the January negotiations ? In that case there should be no need for a GE ,just a by election for Dave's seat if he leaves Parliament altogether.

Yes, correct. Interesting to see what he does, if it was me, I would probably go so as to clear the decks and enable him and his family to make a new life for themselves. Guess he must be pretty shell-shocked with what has happened over the last couple of weeks...and now having to move family out of No 10 at very short notice.

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In a Parliamentary system, the Executive (Gov); is formed by the majority of MPs in that Parliament; so the great unwashed don't elect (directly) their PM. What they do elect, is their MP.   Baz has hit the nail on the head, "so prepare yourselves for a resurgence of the LibDums";  as the Remainians  attempt to overturn the referendum decision.  If Corbyn is excluded from a leadership ballot; we can expect months of legal challenge and probably a split in the Labour Party, so it won't be politics as usual. As for the Tories, May seems to have identified their tasks and may prove to be the pragmatic Leader the Country requires to steer through the Brexit process, their problem is, they are unlikely to pick up ex-labour votes.

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On the evidence of Tory policies to-date and the insistence of both the EU and UK Gov for "austerity"; I think your right. But any wise politicians will have studied the results of the referendum and will amend their approach accordingly, if they wish to "heal the Nation".

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If Brexit turns off the tap supplying endless cheap migrant labour, the poor may find themselves back in demand again, there's a thought.

 

I think that's the best way of cutting the benefits bill instead of cutting benefits to people who need it.Get the Kyle brigade back into work.

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Whilst we are waiting for the KKK act-alikes to send home the EU immigrants the Kyle brigade could start here, pretty sure you want a 3rd generation benefit claimant with no experience of anything other than tv shows, caring for you if you get ill.  PMSL

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35667939

 

 

 

 

 

pulling up the drawbridge is going to solve this?

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Can't believe the tantrum's lasting so long - decisions been made, dummies back in, move on.   Dave, coming out with common sense won't placate folk who have an obsession with flooding this country with migrants; it's like they're on some kind of mission to prove something that fits their programming. The reality is, public services are being overwhelmed by demand; and we ain't got the money to sustain it. What we do have are some indigenous folk who've never had a job and have grown into a dependency culture; so that needs to be changed, which will no doubt cause some tantrums, when folk realise that to get money, they have to get a job - any job.    

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This is something for the government. Re introduce the industry training programmes that have been missing for the last 20 years.

 

The Government have just axed the nursing burseries Davy,  they aren't likely to be funding training, rather the opposite.  

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Can't believe the tantrum's lasting so long - decisions been made, dummies back in, move on.   Dave, coming out with common sense won't placate folk who have an obsession with flooding this country with migrants; it's like they're on some kind of mission to prove something that fits their programming. The reality is, public services are being overwhelmed by demand; and we ain't got the money to sustain it. What we do have are some indigenous folk who've never had a job and have grown into a dependency culture; so that needs to be changed, which will no doubt cause some tantrums, when folk realise that to get money, they have to get a job - any job.    

The only tantrum I can see is yours Observer but feel free to use your Psychological projection if you feel it helps.  Now , to your other waffle.  If the NHS is being overwhelmed it is not by the EU migrants who in the main are young, fit and paying into the system.  It is overwhelmed by indigenous old aged folk who no longer pay in and end up taking out more than they ever paid in as we are clever enough to keep them alive for a lot longer.  Migration into Britain is a massive boon to the NHS in the form of Doctors, nurses, consultants,carers,paramedics,dentists etc. etc.  We have no stockpile of these professionals sat about festering, our health service is actively having to go in search of foreign workers, just to keep afloat.  The 3rd generation benefit claimants are never going to become qualified in enough numbers to cope with the real crisis this country is facing, a massively disproportionate aged population, and there is also the elephant in the room.  A tory Government which is hell bent on hacking off as much funding into training nurses and doctors as possible in order to pass the money upwards.  Our countries population demographic is a mess and if we cut ourselves off from young and fit and hardworking people based on xenophobia it will become worse.  

 

 

P.s. You sound like Norman Tebbit

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"Young, fit and hardworking", and paying taxes; and you know this? And all those being rescued from boats in the Med are all fully skilled professionals, with just the skills we require, and assuming they speak English of course? Seems common sense only to allow in those skills that we require and for a limited period; that's what work permit visas were for. As for the demographics, if the population are living longer, they'll have to work for longer; something that's already been recognized in the new increasing retirement age. As for the indigenous unemployed, they'll have to work, if they want money; and Gov should be training youngsters for needed skills. Otherwise, we'll move into the absurd situation of importing labour to supply a growing population, which in turn adds to that growing population, meaning additional requirements for more imported labour, ad inf.

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If all the young, fit and healthy migrants are heading west from the Eastern European countries, aren't we condemning their native countries to an age imbalance with even less hope for their elders futures as their countries are so much poorer than ours?

 

Surely by encouraging the young and the fit, we are potentially causing a humanitarian crisis in those countries by taking the very people who should be looking after and paying for their older generations?

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"Young, fit and hardworking", and paying taxes; and you know this? And all those being rescued from boats in the Med are all fully skilled professionals, 

 

Another tantrum.  The refugees being rescued in the Med are nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion.  You are deliberately conflating two issues.  Leaving the EU does nothing one way or the other to stop people trying to get across the Med.  Allowing in only the skilled people we require, what of their wives and children?  We need young workers to pay in and yes they are doing as I have proved to you in the past but your head automatically retracts into your anus at the merest mention of any advantage from immigration.  If we are prepared to take money off the unemployed shouldn't we also start taking money off the pensioners who have excessively overfunded pots , especially from ex public service workers who retired in their early 50's on comparatively huge pensions and spread it around a little more equitably?  Would you agree that is fair.

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If all the young, fit and healthy migrants are heading west from the Eastern European countries, aren't we condemning their native countries to an age imbalance with even less hope for their elders futures as their countries are so much poorer than ours?

 

Surely by encouraging the young and the fit, we are potentially causing a humanitarian crisis in those countries by taking the very people who should be looking after and paying for their older generations?

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