Who will win

[Freeborn John]

Now though is the time for British politicians to become that just again & get out there on the world stage & do their jobs instead of just being delivery boys for the latest EU directives.

Some of the subprime individuals who have made a career in politics out of turning up and voting as directed by the whip, hoovering up expenses and fielding the odd complaint from their constituents with a templated reply in a House of Commons envelope are going to struggle.

Shape up or ship out, I say. 

[P J]

 

The NHS will never receive an extra £350,000,000 per week as a result of the democratic decision to leave the EU. 

 

 

I will be keeping a rolling counter of the extent of the debt owed to the NHS by Boris and the NF and will update my profile pic accordingly.

[Paul Kennedy]

I will be keeping a rolling counter of the extent of the debt owed to the NHS by Boris and the NF and will update my profile pic accordingly.

 

I rather sense that as the number might become quite large, you will need a greater space for your profile pic PJ.

[P J]

I rather sense that as the number might become quite large, you will need a greater space for your profile pic PJ.

 

If you can almost fit your head in I think I will be fine  or I could write smaller 

[observer]

Obviously delighted to admit I called this one wrongly, and the British people have finally had the bottle to put two fingers up to the political establishment that has ignored them for so long.  But other than the will of the people having been voiced, nothing has changed yet, nor will it for 2 or more years of negotiations with the EU.  In the meanwhile, we'll have the speculation by the international money markets, a rear-guard action by the political establishment, some of whom will pursue a scorched earth policy;  and political sniping by the luvvies. What it has shown, is a political polarization within our society that has been brewing for decades, and has finally given way to a new political landscape;  the division between generations, educational backgrounds, London& Scotland and the rest; will now form the basis of our new politics; and Political Parties will have to decide which way they are going to jump.  All sorts of scenarios now present themselves; will the dominos in the EU start to fall, will the EU, led by Merkel, attempt lure us back in with major reforms in order to prevent the contagion spreading; and like the Irish, Dutch and Greeks, ask us to think again with another referendum?  So lots to continue to rant about !      PS: interesting that on this Independence Day, a record 4,500 sub-Saharan Africans were "rescued" in the Med and brought into the EU;  so the crisis continues.       

[fugtifino]

...and political sniping by the luvvies...

 

Crikey, it's like a 5 year old who's invented a secret language that nobody else understands.

[observer]

If the cap fits etc !          Interesting, that rather than reviewing their policy base in the light of this result; the Labour Party is engaged in the usual self seeking blame game by their Westminster  elite; who for decades, have been happy to depend on the tribal votes of people they really despise.     

[Davy51]

The leaders of other net  contributors in the EU seem alarmed that they will have to stump up more money from their own treasuries to prop up the net beneficiaries.

 

Good press conference from Donald Trump this morning....2 sentences about the referendum result followed copious  plugs for his new golf course. Excellent timing to get free publicity, what a marketeer.

[Milky]

I stayed up until 4 am listening to the results and in one of the reports it was said that there will be a push to reform the EU led by Germany, the Dutch and, Denmark.

 

Opposed will be France who is facing a demand to leave the EU too and countries like Poland.

 

Poland seem to want all the advantages of the EU with non of the disadvantages. The Polish priminister was the main obstacle to Cameron not getting a better deal from the EU, but is refusing to take any refugees for example.

[Bazj]

The EU was doomed to this result many years ago once it started letting in the former communist countries in the East.

 

Also, without an EU wide minimum wage, the people from the poorer, less well paid countries were always going to take advantage of the freedom of movement and head west (Who can blame them), while the employers were always going to move their factories and production Eastwards where the labour costs (and costs in general are cheaper (who can blame them?)

 

It just never made any sense to me to have so many countries (with such diverse economies) all trying to be part of a club where supposedly each country had the same rights but where only a small number actually paid in and the rest took out, and regardless of whether Turkey ever get in, we still have the likes of Albania lined up to join to add yet another mouth to feed.

 

Neither side in this referendum have showered themselves with roses when it comes to their campaigns, however now is the time to accept what has happened and crack on 

 

Just one thought entered my mind earlier; IF Scotland had another referendum and voted to leave the UK, wouldn't it be somewhat ironic if the EU as we know it did collapse? What then?

[P J]

Baz, you can stop the scaremongering now, the referendum is done. 

[Bazj]

Baz, you can stop the scaremongering now, the referendum is done. 

 

can you point out which bit is scaremongering?

[P J]

Albania and Turkey ascension for a start, 

[observer]

Oh no it isn't; they've applied to join, there are various hoops to be passed through, but eventually they will get in; hopefully by then, it will have collapsed. Politics throughout the EU has been destabilized; none Gov in Spain, weak Gov in Portugal, rise of anti-austerity Parties in Italy and Greece; rise of right in France, Poland, Hungary and Germany; migrant pressured skepticism in Scandinavia; so not a healthy situation for the EU project.     

[P J]

Oh no it isn't; they've applied to join, there are various hoops to be passed through, but eventually they will get in; hopefully by then, it will have collapsed. Politics throughout the EU has been destabilized; none Gov in Spain, weak Gov in Portugal, rise of anti-austerity Parties in Italy and Greece; rise of right in France, Poland, Hungary and Germany; migrant pressured skepticism in Scandinavia; so not a healthy situation for the EU project.     

 

How stupid are you?  Turkey began negotiations over 30 years ago and are still miles from ascension,  Albania are no nearer.  I suppose you have spouted the drivel for so long that you can't stop it.  It doesn't even concern you yet you bitter and twisted mind won't let go.  The 4500 people rescued today by the Italian navy, you even try to make political profit from that,  If I were the EU I would start dropping off all rescued refugees in Calais just to brass you off

[observer]

Certainly less stupid and clueless as you.        To believe that an organization that deliberately allowed Greece into the Euro, even though they it didn't and couldn't conform to their fiscal standards; will cease their expansionism.      If you were the EU, you'd start transporting them to Dover; where all the toga wearing luvvies could meet them for a love in. 

[P J]

 where all the toga wearing luvvies could meet them for a love in. 

 

Does your toga have a pointy hat?

[P J]

Observer, when does the £350 million arrive at the NHS? 

[observer]

Well, in your complete ignorance, you've probably not noticed that we are not actually out of the EU yet. So the £350million pw will continue to be paid by us, into Brussels until we finalise an exit, which could take years of negotiation. As for any decision as to where it will be allocated when we do get control of it; that will be a decision for a UK Parliament, elected by the people of the UK.    

[P J]

Well, in your complete ignorance, you've probably not noticed that we are not actually out of the EU yet. So the £350million pw will continue to be paid by us, into Brussels until we finalise an exit, which could take years of negotiation. As for any decision as to where it will be allocated when we do get control of it; that will be a decision for a UK Parliament, elected by the people of the UK.    

 

So a complete crock to con votes then.

[P J]

and Scotland will be independent before we leave, talk of a reunified Ireland and even Londoners are asking about independence.  Welcome to Broken Britain.

[P J]

£40 Billion wiped off banks values,  we own banks don't we?  That's their sale and recuperation of the money kicked into the long grass for the foreseeable future,  £250 Billion of our cash pumped into the economy by the Bank of England to try to shore things up.  Not a bad first few hours.

[observer]

...... and you don't do scare stories?!     

[P J]

...... and you don't do scare stories?!     

 

Is it not true then Observer?  Which bit is a scare story?  The £40 billion wiped off bank shares or the £250 billion pumped in by The BoE?

[fugtifino]

...toga wearing luvvies...

 

Ah, now I know who you mean:

 

 

But, surely, you don't mean it's all dear old Stephen Fry's fault?