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"We need to take back control" 'IN' or 'OUT' ?

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why do we need trade agreements?

 

If we get charged tarriffs to export goods to other countries we can also charge tarriffs on our imports, we can subsidize industry and there are no tariffs on services.

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Not quite as you picture it Sha:  With over 20 net takers in the Council of Ministers, their "interests" coincide;  Germany is no help to us, as clearly Merkel wants cheap labour to fill her factories, to produce the goods that they sell to the "takers", having given them loans (with interest) which they then have to pay back with punishing austerity.  I think seriously, that the EU political project will continue to expand it's boundaries, hence the friction with Russia over Ukraine, that's the nature of the beast.  "Unrestricted power", we have 4 yearly elections in the UK to vote for our preferred Parties; we don't even have a vote for the EU Commission.  Where I will agee with you on "unrestricted power" is the lack of any serious attempt at devolved Government for English Regions, to give them parity with Scotland, Wales & N/Ireland.  Osbourne's pathetic attempt at City Regions won't resolve the disenchantment of Northern voters with the Westminster bubble.   8)

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Still no answer as to just how we influence opinion in this collection of self interest?  Believe the UK has been out-voted over 70 times to-date, on the Council of Ministers.  T

 

The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999

Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, 

In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.

 

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Just a thought...Turkey apparently want to join the EU, only a few weeks ago Obama was trying to cajole the UK public to vote Remain, & Turkey are ,i believe, NATO members.

 

Could there be some pattern developing here ?

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Believe Scotland will jump ahead of Turkey in the queue;  but there may be no EU by then !   :lol:  Frexit, Nexit, Swexit, Dexit ???!  :lol: 

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Believe Scotland will jump ahead of Turkey in the queue;  but there may be no EU by then !   :lol:  Frexit, Nexit, Swexit, Dexit ???!  :lol: 

 

Germany are already ahead of the game and are recommending that the UK be granted associate status to stop France, Hungary, Holland, Finland, Austria and probably Denmark rushing to the ballot box....

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First of your posts that I agree with -   :lol:

 

Thats because you are too thick to spot sarcasm.

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Oops... the Ftse100 finished 2% up on the week at close of business today... now that wasn't supposed to happen

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how did the FTSE 250, seen as a better guide to the British economy and businesses do Baz?  And don't forget we had to pump in £250 Billion in a day to stop the rot.

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Given that most of our service and manufacturing industries are foreign controlled, great swathes of UK property and land are foreign owned, our so called independent nuclear deterrent is controlled by the US, as in effect is our military via NATO, the national debt is funded by foreign investors, the UK's biggest employer....and one of the biggest employers in the world, the NHS, relies on foreign workers, etc. etc. etc. I am a little puzzled by what we will now actually be taking back control of....anyway we are where we are and need to get on with life....as a departing Member of the EU.

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how did the FTSE 250, seen as a better guide to the British economy and businesses do Baz?  And don't forget we had to pump in £250 Billion in a day to stop the rot.

Not sure £250 billion was pumped in today PJ, I think the Governor of the Bank of England said that is what he would do if needed.

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how did the FTSE 250, seen as a better guide to the British economy and businesses do Baz?  And don't forget we had to pump in £250 Billion in a day to stop the rot.

 

Copy and paste?... I've only been hearing about the ftse100 all week and all day on Sky, Bloomberg, BBC and that's all the political commentators have been talking about all day (no mention of the ftse250 until now) and that is up by 2% so yes.... that wasn't supposed to happen was it?

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How has it done today?  Not the six days when we were in the EU, today when we aren't?

 

News from the FTSE 250 is more sobering. The index, which is home to more UK-focused companies and so is considered more representative of the UK economy, ended the day down 7.2pc - its worst day since Black Monday.  copy and paste as requested

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How has it done today?

 

better than the european and american markets I hear

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haha  you may be one of the few actual workers who voted Leave, seems most were on the dole or on a pension, statistically

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