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Dog fouling - why do people still let their pets do it?

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PJ....I want the second one !!  Could come in very handy when certain election door knockers start too :lol: :lol:

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A great photo on page 2 of a certain Chukka Ummuna when he was a lowly councillor a short 6 years ago... oh how time flies :)

 

I can see how a Tory supporter would struggle accepting someone rising through the ranks instead of being born into the right family :wink:

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I can see how a Tory supporter would struggle accepting someone rising through the ranks instead of being born into the right family :wink:

 

I am not sure which Tory voter you are referring to, but seeing as I have only ever voted Tory once (and I have voted Labour too - although that must have been during my time as a union member or something), that must be me.....hey ho....

 

I do suppose it is no different to the Labour party though where selection is obviously dependant on which Union you pally up to or whether you agree with whichever anorack wearing leader happens to be in charge

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I am not sure which Tory voter you are referring to, but seeing as I have only ever voted Tory once (and I have voted Labour too - although that must have been during my time as a union member or something), that must be me.....hey ho....

 

I do suppose it is no different to the Labour party though where selection is obviously dependant on which Union you pally up to or whether you agree with whichever anorack wearing leader happens to be in charge

 

Not really but there you go.

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I suppose you live on a diet of sh*t, you spout enough.

So speaks an expert.

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So speaks an expert.

 

Well I read so much of it it on here I have learned to spot it.

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Well I write so much of it it on here I have learned to spot it.

Fixed it for you :wink: ;-)

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Fixed it for you :wink: ;-)

 

can't argue with such a mature approach, what next "your Mum" quips?

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Bloody cats! I would shoot everyone on site if I was allowed to, a cat is not a pet it is a wild animal that has worked out that if it pretends to be tame some idiot will feed it and give it shelter, you don't own a cat the damned thing owns you!.

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can't argue with such a mature approach, what next "your Mum" quips?

You start with the pathetic quips and call me immature? Grow up.

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You start with the pathetic quips and call me immature? Grow up.

 

  "But he started it Sir"   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:,

 

and in the interests of accuracy, I never once used the word immature, quite the opposite actually. 

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And you call me a pedant :lol: :lol: :lol:

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And you call me a pedant :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

yes I do.

 

to get it back on topic, I see it as posting your crap back through your letterbox.

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And getting back on topic,as you say:

Perhaps the neighbour should post your cats crap through your letterbox.

I should think that this would constitute a criminal offence. Unlike dogs, cats don't actually "belong" to anybody. If it was dog crap you might have a case, but it would be difficult to prove which dog was the offender.

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And getting back on topic,as you say:

I should think that this would constitute a criminal offence. Unlike dogs, cats don't actually "belong" to anybody. If it was dog crap you might have a case, but it would be difficult to prove which dog was the offender.

 

Have you never heard of video evidence?

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I said difficult, not impossible. However if you have video evidence why not use this rather than the, rather extreme, method of picking up the crap and putting it through the letter box? Or maybe you get some sort of satisfaction from picking up crap, who knows?

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I haven't got an issue with cat crap Asperity, if you bothered reading my posts instead of just trying to have a go you would already know this. I use deterrents which work and I have detailed in a previous post. Now, to help you understand better, if I did have a problem such as many cat owners neighbors must, I would simply observe which cat or cats it was and then go ask the "owner" to please come and clean up after their animal on a regular basis. If they refused I would then record their cat and begin a property return to said owners of the scat. I am a reasonable man????

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You must have a lot of time on your hands if you know which cat "belongs" to which house. There's loads of cats pass through my garden (usually giving me a hearty 2 claw salute through the window as they pass) and I honestly couldn't tell you where any of them live, mostly because I'm not that interested. I've been servant to many cats in the past but not at the moment because of my work. However when I retire I'll probably get enslaved again.

 

PS I wasn't "having a go". I leave that to the experts (you know who you are!)

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Cats - The legal issues of trespass and fouling


What is the law relating to cats fouling?

There are no specific laws which relate to cats and fouling. 


 


The law of trespass

The law relating to the trespass of domestic animals is contained in the Animals Act 1971. However, cats enjoy a unique position as the Animals Act 1971 does not apply to them. A cat cannot, therefore, in law trespass. As a cat cannot trespass its owner cannot be legally responsible for what their cat does outside of their property.


 


The law of nuisance

Where animals are kept in such a manner or in such circumstances as to cause material discomfort or annoyance to the public in general or to a particular person the keeping of such animals may amount to a “nuisance”.  


Where the public in general are subjected to the nuisance it is referred to as a “public nuisance”. Court proceedings for public nuisances are generally instigated by local authorities through the Criminal Courts (the Magistrate’s Court or the Crown Court). Public nuisances are punishable by fines and/ or imprisonment. 


Sometimes public nuisances are described as “statutory nuisances”. This is where there is a specific act of parliament (a “statute”) which makes provision for a particular type of nuisance.  


An example of a statutory nuisance can be found in the Environmental Protection Act 1990. Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 a local authority has the power to prosecute a person where an animal is “kept in such a place or manner as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance”.


Where a particular individual is subjected to the nuisance it is referred to as a “private nuisance”. Court proceedings for private nuisances are brought by individuals through the Civil Courts (the County Court or the High Court). Where a Civil Court is satisfied that a nuisance has occurred it may award damages (compensation) to the Claimant (the person bringing the claim) and may grant an injunction requiring the Defendant (the person against whom the claim has been brought) requiring them to stop the nuisance.


It is the function of the Courts to decide whether, in a particular case, the keeping of animals in the manner in which they are kept or in the circumstances in which they are kept, amounts to a nuisance. Since the law of nuisance only applies where there is “material” discomfort or annoyance the Courts are unlikely to grant an injunction in relation to a nuisance relating to the fouling by cats unless the fouling is on a substantial scale, for example, where a very large number of cats are kept by one particular person.


 


Anti-social behaviour orders

The keeping of animals can in some circumstances be the subject of an anti-social behaviour order (commonly known as an “ASBO”).  


An anti-social behaviour order is a civil order made against someone who has engaged in anti-social behaviour. Applications for anti-social behaviour orders are generally made by local authorities or the police and are heard by Magistrates sitting in their civil capacity. The Court will only grant an anti-social behaviour order where it is sure that the Defendant has acted in an anti-social manner.  


Failure to comply with an anti-social behaviour order is a criminal offence punishable by a fine or imprisonment.  


The Courts are unlikely to grant an anti-social behaviour order in relation to the fouling by cats unless the fouling is on a substantial scale, for example, where a very large number of cats are kept by one particular person.


 


Is there anything else I can do?

There are a number of things which cats dislike and which can be used as deterrents. These include prickly plants, scents such as orange, peppermint and eucalyptus and electronic deterrents which are designed to keep cats away from a specific area.


 


What can’t I do?

You should not do anything to harm a cat. Under the Protection of Animals Act 1911 it is a criminal offence to cruelly beat, kick, ill-treat, torture, infuriate or terrify any animal. It is also a criminal offence under the Protection of Animals Act 1911 and the Animal Welfare Act 2006 to administer poison, injurious drugs or substances to an animal. Under the Animal Welfare Act 2005 it is a criminal offence to allow an animal protected by the act to suffer unnecessarily. Cats are protected by the Act.  


A cat is treated by the law as goods and, therefore, the taking of a cat from its owner will amount to theft. You should not, therefore, steal any cat on or caught fouling on your land. 



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asbos for cat owners, sounds fun.  Much better to expect the cats owners to have the common decency to clean up after their pet if it is pointed out to them where the animal is crapping.  

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In the crypt?

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In the crypt?

 

I'd confront crapping cats carer and convince them completely of their care commitment for their crypt corrupting crud constructor

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