EU - in or out?

[observer]

Twitter ? Figures.

[Freeborn John]

I haven't spoken to anybody who intends to vote to remain in, then again, I don't rub shoulders with the twitterati. 

[asperity]

You can be sure that the PTB will use every trick they know to get the remain vote to win.

[Davy51]

As with all elections the voter turn out will play a big part... voter apathy could kill the whole referendum stone dead so it is important that as many people as possible register their vote. Not enough leavers voting & we would be stuck with the whole sorry mess, to the jubilation of Dave.

[observer]

Not necessarily the case Dave, a low turnout could be good for "OUT", as the older demographic tend to actually vote.  

[Davy51]

Are we the ones with time on our hands Obs ?

[observer]

..... and grumpy enough to make sure we vote !     

[Freeborn John]

You can be sure that the PTB will use every trick they know to get the remain vote to win.

Unfortunately, they can instantly raise hundreds of thousands of votes among those who have a smart phone instead of a brain just by making it an issue on social media, witness the half a million who recently wanted an American presidential candidate banned from the UK because...well, because.

[Milky]

http://putlockerxvid.com/play.php?movie=tt2279313

 

some might find the film interesting

[asperity]

Brexit the movie:

 

https://vimeo.com/user14444354/review/166378572/11244b88d0

[observer]

.... and the latest from the IMF's Lagarde, is that Brexit will cause a house price crash. Good - then perhaps millions will be able to afford to buy or rent a home.

[asperity]

Don't forget the plague of locusts, rivers turning blood red, fire and brimstone raining down from above and, horror of horrors, being banned from the Eurovision Song Contest!! :lol: :lol:

[Davy51]

The doom mongers are speaking as if there have been no depressions,recessions or desperate times concerning the British economy while we have been in the EU. One of the problems affecting the EU at the moment, mass migration from former foreign dependencies ,is because former independent states have been drawn together as a borderless conglomerate. Prior to the super bloc sovereign nations would have had to deal with their dependent former colonies within the parameters of their own government rules & policies instead of just redirecting immigrants to their nearest & dearest ,open bordered neighbour.

[Bazj]

https://www.facebook.com/bazunitec/posts/10154124921379593?notif_t=like&notif_id=1463173903530920

[observer]

Dave, the international financial institutions, you know, the one's who failed to predict the 2008 crash; are panicking because they think Brexit will upset the global economy, the one they've been warning is heading for low growth and possible recession. All these institutions have offered to date is austerity, inflicted on the poorest within States and on the poorest States (EG Greece). When the brown stuff hits the fan, it will be every man for himself, and an independent UK will be in a better position to look to it's own needs, rather than conforming to dictates from Brussels.

[Davy51]

I see they showed a "corruption map" on the BBC 1 o'clock news a couple of days ago which disappeared before i could focus on it properly. Needless to say it wasn't shown at tea time, but from what i could remember in my finest Generation Game conveyor belt style, the areas of least corruption were alleged to be North America & all Europe. I find this hard to swallow seeing as we are being harangued endlessly with forked tongues predicting doom for the UK. The whole doom laden diet we are being fed is biased towards vested interests which want to take a nameless UK further into a European superstate as nothing more than a region of that state.

[Freeborn John]

The UK is the worlds 5th largest economy, arguably in spite of our being in the EU and not because of it, the only European state above us is Germany.

This being so, it's hard to see how we're going to plunge to our doom if we don't hand monetary, political and social control of our country to a committee composed mainly of economic basket cases.  

[observer]

The PM has held an anti-corruption summit. Aside from the fact the Tory Party are currently being investigated for alleged election fraud and the other Parties are keeping quiet (in case they get found out too!); some of the third world leaders have pointed to the fact that London is the biggest launderer of stolen cash from "corrupt Dictators". So it seems no ones hands are clean, least of all the unelected beurocrats  in Brussels. It really is time to clean out the stables, and if we can control our own affairs, we may have a chance of starting the process.

[Antisthenes]

Why we cannot stay - 'The European Parliament has voted by an overwhelming majority to deny China the coveted prize of market economy status (MES), warning that it would leave Europe's battered industries vulnerable to a devastating flood of subsidised Chinese goods.' 'MEPs voted by 546 to 28 against the proposal...' 'The vote is NOT binding but it greatly constrains the European Commission in its efforts to push through MES...' Daily Telegraph 13th May 2016.

That 95% of a vote cannot guarantee success against an UNELECTED commission is surely evidence enough that our own imperfect democracy is better than the governance of body of bureaucrats of which the UK has a 1/28th voice.

We may change our government at the ballot box every five years. That is not an option in the EU.

 

Who will be riding the four horses of the apocalypse if we vote out? Merkel on Pestilence, Cameron on War, Lagarde on Famine and Obama on Death? What are the odds, Paddy Power?

[observer]

It seems an ex-head of MI6 has predicted, what anyone with a grain of insight would have deduced decades ago, that the failure of the EU to get a grip of immigration will result in social violence throughout the EU and the rise of right-wing parties. Do we really want to "remain" in that scenario?

[Bazj]

 'The vote is NOT binding 

 

 

 

It would appear that most votes in the EU that go against the Reich are not binding, Ireland, France, Denmark and more recently Holland. I am totally aghast that anyone who claims to be proud to be British would even contemplate staying part of this dictatorship

[observer]

Indeed, this vote isn't "binding" on either side;  at the end of the day it will take a decision in Parliament to Brexit, so the arguments will continue. Perhaps by then, the whole rotten EU structure will have imploded anyway?

[Freeborn John]

When Ireland voted against the Lisbon treaty, a nasty outbreak of democracy which went against the EU's wishes, the result was considered as so non binding that the 4th Reich felt obliged to turn off all the Celtic Tigers funding until the Irish voters rolled over and begged.

The second vote turned out OK, the cash flowed again.

UK cash probably, since it's only us and Germany who actually put money in instead of take, take taking... 

[observer]

Keep hearing the phrase "the EU gives us access to the single market" coming from the Remain Camp. While shopping, I notice umpteen products on the shelves, from countries NOT in the EU; so it seems non-EU countries do have access to the single market. This extends to motor cars too; with US, Japanese and Korean made vehicles in the showrooms. Another mystery is the idea that the EU is to be thanked, in fact relied on, for our current economic status. Southern European Nations are all members of the EU, with most being economic basket cases, with 50% youth unemployment in Spain for example; so being in the EU doesn't appear to be an automatic guarantee of economic success. Any economic success in the UK, though miniscule; is in spite of the EU, not because of it; hence the draw of migrants from the rest of the EU.

[asperity]

 Any economic success in the UK, though miniscule; is in spite of the EU, not because of it; hence the draw of migrants from the rest of the EU.

The UK economy is one of the largest in the world Obs, don't put it down otherwise you sound like one of those "must bow to the power of the EU" nutters.