Gary Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Rain and high tides adding to the flooding problems - be careful out there. http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2015/12/26/warrington-flood-warnings-in-place/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Presume the high water is above the lock gates? If so; can't they open the gates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I doubt that the gates can be opened against the pressure of the water, plus there's probably safety interlocks to prevent anyone attempting to do that as it could actually make matters worse down stream. The upper water level isn't that far below the top of the gates so it simply overflows the gates, which is exactly what it did the other day. There's a lot of good videos and picture of this on Facebook at the moment. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Take your point Bill; but I've never seen the MSC below the locks very high, and I think it's contained for most of it's route - gives us a major drain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I've seen it below the locks pretty high (Stockton Heath area) in the past but last night it got nowhere near that high as I wet for a wander at midnight just too make sure. Yes I was worried with the police heli going over and checking too eek.I've never know it spill the banks on the upper side before though.Video posted on Lymm Life Magazine's facebook page today...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 And another showing the aftermath of the Sankey Brook flooding at Burtonwood area taken this morning. I'm guessing it was all higher last night though when the flood alert and warnings were still in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Makes you wonder if there will be a tv appeal for our flood victims in the countries that we usually help when they are flooded. (removes tongue from cheek, smiles wryly,reaches for coffee cup fade to title music and end credits) :twisted: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Seems we've spent over £12 million in flood defences, but alas, not in the UK ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Seems we've spent over £12 million in flood defences, but alas, not in the UK ! So nothing in the UK wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Errm no; the £12 million wasn't spent in the UK; sure Kendal or York could have used it ! But of course you know that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 The UK apparently gave £1m to a town in Serbia for flood defences while at the same time cancelled £4m worth of flood defence work in Kendal.... priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Then anyone who voted for them should hang their head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Errm no; the £12 million wasn't spent in the UK; sure Kendal or York could have used it ! But of course you know that ! they spent double that on the wall along the Mersey in Warrington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Then anyone who voted for them should hang their head. Corbyns number 2 was on Sky news this morning and was asked about cutting foreign aid and spending the money here on bolstering flood defences.... his answer was a resounding NO.... so no matter who you vote for the establishment is still intent on giving our money away to whichever foreign project puts their hands out for a freebie... No doubt the liberal minded could justify our money being sent abroad on such worthwhile projects as Shakespeare workshops in Ecuador and Fashion shows in Paraguay or funding sent to try and find mates for rare fish in Madagascar.... maybe even the £300million spent on coconut studies and Tanzanian trapeze artists might be more worthwhile than preventing British business owners from being bankrupted due to flooding.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Unfortunately Baz, common sense isn't a strong point with the luvvies ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Do you think it has to be an either /or ? There are different budgets for different things. The Tories roll out the austerity excuse everytime they decide to make cuts. They aren't so austere when it comes to cutting taxes on the rich. If a business is bankrupted because of a flood it must have had inadequate insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Baz, maybe as after the last serious floods in and around Somerset your wonderful Tories will refuse to accept the millions of pounds provided by the EU unconditionally to flood affected countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Baz, maybe as after the last serious floods in and around Somerset your wonderful Tories will refuse to accept the millions of pounds provided by the EU unconditionally to flood affected countries. Maybe acceptance of EU money will affect Dave's first class ticket to the EU gravy train after his retirement from domestic politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Maybe acceptance of EU money will affect Dave's first class ticket to the EU gravy train after his retirement from domestic politics. Why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Of cause it's an either/or : charity starts at home, so the home front takes priority. When we've sorted out OUR problems like OUR folk being homeless and needing food banks, being flooded out, etc etc; I'm sure we can then start looking at other budgets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 There needs to be a mass dredging of rivers in this country and less worrying about habitats for newts amongst other things. The Somerset levels had been neglected for years and allowed to become silted up which meant less room for the water when the rains did come. This government and many otehrs past and no doubt future will continue to neglect the basic maintenance that the areas prone to flooding need. As for the bit about businesses not having adequate insurance, you have said yourself that some insurance companies are demanding £25,000 excesses which practically no small business could manage, plus when watching some of the interviews on the news after the flooding in York, they were featuring people whose homes and businesses were flooded out for the first time ever and weren't even considered as being at risk so they may well have not seen the need for flood insurance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 There was £135 million reduced from the budget by the Tories for such things and a £400 million shortfall in their promised private enterprise money. You see it doesn't matter as we are all in it together, flooded out pensioners, small businesses, tax avoiding Tory backers and tax break receiving super rich. The Somerset levels , well the 2 rivers , have been dredged. Flood insurance isn't necessarily a separate insurance, its in with most buildings and contents insurance. There are some rather unscrupulous companies putting punitive excess levels on some of the most prone areas but , as you say, this is the first time these properties have flooded so businesses should be able to afford the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 There are only 10 days allowed between a disaster and applying to the EU fund. Why on earth don't we do it? It's like having insurance but footing the bill yourself, stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 It's frankly no use mopping up after the event; these losses are preventable if we adapt. EG: Housing built on higher ground, no new housing in the flood plain, housing in risk areas to be reconstructed on stilts etc: of course this would cost an arm and a leg, but prevention is better than cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 there are 10000 houses per year being built on flood plains, every single one of them has been granted planning permission. Are the officials granting these applications corrupt, under orders from above, desperate or just plain stupid. That said a lot of the properties on the tv were not new build. The changing climate is bringing more floods, worse than ever to places never before flooded. One thing for sure, cutting the budget for flood defence to the bone isn't going to help and nor is pleading poverty yet not even bothering to take the money on offer from the EU Fund, designed specifically for just such events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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