Lt Kije Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yo may want to read this Obs, as the left also want to stay in the EU http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/28/british-eurosceptics-austerity-coup-portugal-elections-eu-brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Think your reading different news items than me Kije; the left now have a majority in their Parliament. Of course "the left" want to stay in the EU, as in Greece; but they don't want the financial disciplines that now go with Euro membership. A cake and eat it scenario, which frankly no one can respect. For years the P.I.G.S. have had their noses in the EU trough, spending like mad on our money; then suddenly, when the trough gets moved to E/Europe, and they have to accept budgetary discipline; they kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 So we both agree your original post is a pile of junk and a lie, see you are moving forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think someone probably just took the EU of the European Union and added the SSR of the former USSR and made it up. Logically it should stand for the European Union of Soviet States of Russia. Makes no sense really. If the EU is so bad you wouldn't need to make stuff up . USSR stood for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (CCCP = SSSR = Soyuz, Sovietski, Socialicheski Respubliks) of which Russia was a member, so your logic is illogical. Just a little bit of new knowledge for you PJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 As I said, it makes no sense and your usual, somewhat predictable pedantry does nothing to clarify the issue. I recall you use similar or same made up name at times. That said I am very impressed by your ability to use a search engine ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics makes no sense PJ? Well for once you are totally correct, and why we should have no part of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sorry Obs you are wrong, as the previous government, won the election. All that happened was they lost their over all majority. So if the left bring down the government they are going against the majority of the people, as more voted for them. So more people voted for them but they still lost the election and are now no longer the largest party...... wow.... your logic and will to defend everything about the EU slays me at times Kije.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Kije, NO we don't agree. Whoever has the majority of seats in a Parliament, forms the Government - if it's allowed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 In the UK, yes, Portugsl has a different system, which you forgot. You were wrong, as usual. Better to think before posting Obs, it will save you embarrassment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 And you forgot to look at the opposition who are pro EU as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Being "pro-EU" and wishing to suffer their austerity measures, are clearly separate issues. Unfortunately, the P.I.G.S want the cake and eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Obs,are you going to admit that the from your first post on this thread you have been lying to people, the crack you thought you saw, was not a crack, just a mistake by you! Even worse for you Portugal and Spain have turned a corner and there economies are fast improving, not good news for you, but there you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 The crack is the realisation that the trough is no longer there and that their reward for membership will be fiscal pain for the foreseeable future. In this instance, the further realisation that voting for some relief from the pain (leftist Parties), doesn't deliver any relief if (a) they're not even allowed to take office, or (, they do take office and are then brow beaten by the EU Mandarins into compliance and continued austerity. Eventually, even the most loan soaked P.I.G.S will recognise this. Add to this the migrant crisis, and you have a perfect storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Obs,are you going to admit that the from your first post on this thread you have been lying to people, the crack you thought you saw, was not a crack, just a mistake by you! Even worse for you Portugal and Spain have turned a corner and there economies are fast improving, not good news for you, but there you have it. The Greek meltdown might have scared the other PIGS into pulling their weight a little, but with youth unemployment at over 50% and growing support for anti austerity politics, it's a brave man who will state that Spain has turned a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think if Spain's economy has improved it may be down to increased tourism from people shunning Greece & North African countries. Spain has been dependable for many years as a holiday destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think Spains tourism will grow a little more now if the plane crash in Egypt is discovered to be anything other than a tragic accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think it will take more than an increase in tourism to give Spain a stable and profitable economy, since it's a notoriously low paying industry the jobs will probably be taken by the new migrants anyway. The measure of a country's health is in its employment rate, with half the kids and one in 5 adults unemployed I suggest that's a better indicator than some heavily massaged GDP figures that Spain is still in deep trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Currency union was basically a non-starter, when you have Germany with a post war history of rigid fiscal discipline and budget surpluses, who allowed in countries that arguably didn't even meet entry criteria and had no culture of fiscal discipline, with incompatible economies. However, it's noticeable, that all EU States have to comply with "the rules", as dictated by Germany, with the exception of Germany. Merkel suspended the Dublin Convention and encouraged the migrant exodus through the EU to Germany; then discovered they can't cope and now want to share the burden with other EU states. So it seems the Fourth Reich is run by Germany for Germany, but without their historic flair for efficiency and competence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 For someone who demands such a big say in EU affairs Mrs M made a monumental boo boo with her lack of foresight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 So it seems the Fourth Reich is run by Germany for Germany, but without their historic flair for efficiency and competence. and they've just replaced the Swastika with the EU starry circle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 and they've just replaced the Swastika with the EU starry circle really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 . So it seems the Fourth Reich is run by Germany for Germany, but without their historic flair for efficiency and competence. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Read it for yourself boys and girls. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/311eab28-36a1-11e5-bdbb-35e55cbae175.html#axzz3qMMMPqGZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 When Baz says the EU is on the verge of a breakdown, just remember the story of Chicken little As for Obs, when you can pin him down he quickly changes the subject.. This thread he started was a farce, as there are no cracks, just him taking massive libertys with the truth, and hoping no one realises there is a truth and a truth according to Obs. Which is bulls*it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 really? yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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