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People who smoke in a car with a child as a passenger deserve all the villification they get, not only is it harmful it is totally unnecessary and now, thankfully, illegal. To claim it isn't harmful is plain wrong, unless you are more qualified to judge that than these lot

 

The NHS say this.

 

 Breathing in someone else's cigarette smoke (passive smoking or secondhand smoking) can increase your risk of cancer and other health problems. It is also particularly harmful for children. 

Smoke stays in the air

When someone smokes a cigarette, the smoke from the burning tip is released into the air. So is the smoke they breathe out. Smoke can stay in the air for up to 2.5 hours, even with a window open. It may still be there even if you can't see it or smell it. 

This also applies in small enclosed places, such as cars. Smoke may still be present in large amounts even after the person has stopped smoking.

Risks of passive smoking

Passive smoking can damage your body because secondhand smoke contains more than 4,000 chemicals, many of which are irritants and toxins, and some of which are known to cause cancer. Passive smoking from all forms of tobacco is harmful, including: 

  • cigarettes 
  • cigars 
  • pipe tobacco 
  • hand-rolling tobacco 
  • shisha pipes (also called hookahs or waterpipes) 

Frequent exposure to other people's smoke can increase your risk of lung cancer, even if you're a non-smoker. Passive smoking also increases your risk of coronary heart disease. Coronary heart disease can cause a heart attackangina (chest pain) and heart failure. It also increases your risk of stroke.  

Children and passive smoking 

Breathing in secondhand smoke is particularly harmful for children. Children who breathe in secondhand smoke have an increased risk of:

Children who grow up with a parent or family member who smokes are three times more likely to start smoking themselves. 

If you're a parent who smokes, it will be hard to explain to your children why they shouldn't start smoking. Try to lead by example and quit. As well as improving your health and theirs, your children may be less likely to start smoking later in life.

CDC say similar

 

Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke from the burning end of a cigarette and the smoke breathed out by smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals. Hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer.1,2,3,4

Since the 1964 Surgeon General’s Report, 2.5 million adults who were nonsmokers died because they breathed secondhand smoke.1

There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

  • Secondhand smoke causes numerous health problems in infants and children, including more frequent and severe asthma attacks, respiratory infections, ear infections, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).1,4
  • Smoking during pregnancy results in more than 1,000 infant deaths annually.4
  • Some of the health conditions caused by secondhand smoke in adults include coronary heart disease, stroke, and lung cancer.1,4

 

Health Consequences Causally Linked to Exposure to Secondhand Smoke

sh_smoke.jpg

Note:
The condition in red is a new disease causally linked to secondhand smoke in the 2014 Surgeon General’s Report4

 

Secondhand Smoke Causes Cardiovascular Disease

Exposure to secondhand smoke has immediate adverse effects on the cardiovascular system and can cause coronary heart disease and stroke.2,4,5

  • Secondhand smoke causes nearly 34,000 premature deaths from heart disease each year in the United States among nonsmokers.4
  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25–30%.1
  • Secondhand smoke increases the risk for stroke by 20−30%.4
  • Secondhand smoke exposure causes more than 8,000 deaths from stroke annually.4

Breathing secondhand smoke can have immediate adverse effects on your blood and blood vessels, increasing the risk of having a heart attack.2,3,4

  • Breathing secondhand smoke interferes with the normal functioning of the heart, blood, and vascular systems in ways that increase the risk of having a heart attack.
  • Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can damage the lining of blood vessels and cause your blood platelets to become stickier. These changes can cause a deadly heart attack.

People who already have heart disease are at especially high risk of suffering adverse effects from breathing secondhand smoke and should take special precautions to avoid even brief exposures.1

Secondhand Smoke Causes Lung Cancer

Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adults who have never smoked.4

  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing lung cancer by 20–30%.2
  • Secondhand smoke causes more than 7,300 lung cancer deaths among U.S. nonsmokers each year.4
  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke are inhaling many of the same cancer-causing substances and poisons as smokers.2,3,4
  • Even brief secondhand smoke exposure can damage cells in ways that set the cancer process in motion.4
  • As with active smoking, the longer the duration and the higher the level of exposure to secondhand smoke, the greater the risk of developing lung cancer.4
Secondhand Smoke Causes SIDS

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) is the sudden, unexplained, unexpected death of an infant in the first year of life. SIDS is the leading cause of death in otherwise healthy infants.6 Secondhand smoke increases the risk for SIDS.2,4

  • Smoking by women during pregnancy increases the risk for SIDS.2,4,7
  • Infants who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth are also at greater risk for SIDS.2,4
  • Chemicals in secondhand smoke appear to affect the brain in ways that interfere with its regulation of infants' breathing.2,4
  • Infants who die from SIDS have higher concentrations of nicotine in their lungs and higher levels of cotinine (a biological marker for secondhand smoke exposure) than infants who die from other causes.2,4

Parents can help protect their babies from SIDS by taking the following three actions:8

  • Do not smoke when pregnant.
  • Do not smoke in the home or around the baby.
  • Put the baby down to sleep on its back.
Secondhand Smoke Harms Children

Secondhand smoke can cause serious health problems in children.2,4

  • Studies show that older children whose parents smoke get sick more often. Their lungs grow less than children who do not breathe secondhand smoke, and they get more bronchitis and pneumonia.
  • Wheezing and coughing are more common in children who breathe secondhand smoke.
  • Secondhand smoke can trigger an asthma attack in a child. Children with asthma who are around secondhand smoke have more severe and frequent asthma attacks. A severe asthma attack can put a child's life in danger.
  • Children whose parents smoke around them get more ear infections. They also have fluid in their ears more often and have more operations to put in ear tubes for drainage.

Parents can help protect their children from secondhand smoke by taking the following actions:9

  • Do not allow anyone to smoke anywhere in or near your home.
  • Do not allow anyone to smoke in your car, even with the window down.
  • Make sure your children’s day care centers and schools are tobacco-free.
  • If your state still allows smoking in public areas, look for restaurants and other places that do not allow smoking. “No-smoking sections” do not protect you and your family from secondhand smoke.

 

Asperity, please list the qualifications you have that allowed you to study and conclude that second hand smoke is harmless?

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People who smoke in a car with a child as a passenger deserve all the villification they get, not only is it harmful it is totally unnecessary and now, thankfully, illegal. To claim it isn't harmful is plain wrong, unless you are more qualified to judge that than these lot

 

The NHS say this.

 

 Breathing in someone else's cigarette smoke (passive smoking or secondhand smoking) can increase your risk of cancer and other health problems. It is also particularly harmful for children. 

Smoke stays in the air

When someone smokes a cigarette, the smoke from the burning tip is released into the air. So is the smoke they breathe out. Smoke can stay in the air for up to 2.5 hours, even with a window open. It may still be there even if you can't see it or smell it. 

This also applies in small enclosed places, such as cars. Smoke may still be present in large amounts even after the person has stopped smoking.

Risks of passive smoking

Passive smoking can damage your body because secondhand smoke contains more than 4,000 chemicals, many of which are irritants and toxins, and some of which are known to cause cancer. Passive smoking from all forms of tobacco is harmful, including: 

  • cigarettes 
  • cigars 
  • pipe tobacco 
  • hand-rolling tobacco 
  • shisha pipes (also called hookahs or waterpipes) 

Frequent exposure to other people's smoke can increase your risk of lung cancer, even if you're a non-smoker. Passive smoking also increases your risk of coronary heart disease. Coronary heart disease can cause a heart attackangina (chest pain) and heart failure. It also increases your risk of stroke.  

Children and passive smoking 

Breathing in secondhand smoke is particularly harmful for children. Children who breathe in secondhand smoke have an increased risk of:

Children who grow up with a parent or family member who smokes are three times more likely to start smoking themselves. 

If you're a parent who smokes, it will be hard to explain to your children why they shouldn't start smoking. Try to lead by example and quit. As well as improving your health and theirs, your children may be less likely to start smoking later in life.

CDC say similar

 

Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke from the burning end of a cigarette and the smoke breathed out by smokers. Secondhand smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals. Hundreds are toxic and about 70 can cause cancer.1,2,3,4

Since the 1964 Surgeon General’s Report, 2.5 million adults who were nonsmokers died because they breathed secondhand smoke.1

There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

  • Secondhand smoke causes numerous health problems in infants and children, including more frequent and severe asthma attacks, respiratory infections, ear infections, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).1,4
  • Smoking during pregnancy results in more than 1,000 infant deaths annually.4
  • Some of the health conditions caused by secondhand smoke in adults include coronary heart disease, stroke, and lung cancer.1,4

 

Health Consequences Causally Linked to Exposure to Secondhand Smoke

sh_smoke.jpg

Note:

The condition in red is a new disease causally linked to secondhand smoke in the 2014 Surgeon General’s Report4

 

Secondhand Smoke Causes Cardiovascular Disease

Exposure to secondhand smoke has immediate adverse effects on the cardiovascular system and can cause coronary heart disease and stroke.2,4,5

  • Secondhand smoke causes nearly 34,000 premature deaths from heart disease each year in the United States among nonsmokers.4
  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25–30%.1
  • Secondhand smoke increases the risk for stroke by 20−30%.4
  • Secondhand smoke exposure causes more than 8,000 deaths from stroke annually.4

Breathing secondhand smoke can have immediate adverse effects on your blood and blood vessels, increasing the risk of having a heart attack.2,3,4

  • Breathing secondhand smoke interferes with the normal functioning of the heart, blood, and vascular systems in ways that increase the risk of having a heart attack.
  • Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can damage the lining of blood vessels and cause your blood platelets to become stickier. These changes can cause a deadly heart attack.

People who already have heart disease are at especially high risk of suffering adverse effects from breathing secondhand smoke and should take special precautions to avoid even brief exposures.1

Secondhand Smoke Causes Lung Cancer

Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adults who have never smoked.4

  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or at work increase their risk of developing lung cancer by 20–30%.2
  • Secondhand smoke causes more than 7,300 lung cancer deaths among U.S. nonsmokers each year.4
  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke are inhaling many of the same cancer-causing substances and poisons as smokers.2,3,4
  • Even brief secondhand smoke exposure can damage cells in ways that set the cancer process in motion.4
  • As with active smoking, the longer the duration and the higher the level of exposure to secondhand smoke, the greater the risk of developing lung cancer.4
Secondhand Smoke Causes SIDS

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) is the sudden, unexplained, unexpected death of an infant in the first year of life. SIDS is the leading cause of death in otherwise healthy infants.6 Secondhand smoke increases the risk for SIDS.2,4

  • Smoking by women during pregnancy increases the risk for SIDS.2,4,7
  • Infants who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth are also at greater risk for SIDS.2,4
  • Chemicals in secondhand smoke appear to affect the brain in ways that interfere with its regulation of infants' breathing.2,4
  • Infants who die from SIDS have higher concentrations of nicotine in their lungs and higher levels of cotinine (a biological marker for secondhand smoke exposure) than infants who die from other causes.2,4

Parents can help protect their babies from SIDS by taking the following three actions:8

  • Do not smoke when pregnant.
  • Do not smoke in the home or around the baby.
  • Put the baby down to sleep on its back.
Secondhand Smoke Harms Children

Secondhand smoke can cause serious health problems in children.2,4

  • Studies show that older children whose parents smoke get sick more often. Their lungs grow less than children who do not breathe secondhand smoke, and they get more bronchitis and pneumonia.
  • Wheezing and coughing are more common in children who breathe secondhand smoke.
  • Secondhand smoke can trigger an asthma attack in a child. Children with asthma who are around secondhand smoke have more severe and frequent asthma attacks. A severe asthma attack can put a child's life in danger.
  • Children whose parents smoke around them get more ear infections. They also have fluid in their ears more often and have more operations to put in ear tubes for drainage.

Parents can help protect their children from secondhand smoke by taking the following actions:9

  • Do not allow anyone to smoke anywhere in or near your home.
  • Do not allow anyone to smoke in your car, even with the window down.
  • Make sure your children’s day care centers and schools are tobacco-free.
  • If your state still allows smoking in public areas, look for restaurants and other places that do not allow smoking. “No-smoking sections” do not protect you and your family from secondhand smoke.

 

 

Asperity, please list the qualifications you have that allowed you to study and conclude that second hand smoke is harmless?

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The NHS and other health care organisations are very good at plucking dubious statistics out of the air and presenting them as proven facts in the sure knowledge that the vast majority of people will take their word as gospel. It helps them to get increased funding for "further research".

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The NHS and other health care organisations are very good at plucking dubious statistics out of the air and presenting them as proven facts in the sure knowledge that the vast majority of people will take their word as gospel. It helps them to get increased funding for "further research".

Utter nonsense.

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As someone who packed in smoking 30 years ago, all I can say is WIND YOUR HEADS IN AND STOP THIS STUPID VILLIFICATION OF SMOKERS. Second hand smoke is not the deadly killer that it has been made out to be. Complete over-reaction driven by the media as usual.

Asp....there was a doctor (lung specialist I think) on TV news yesterday who said young children breath faster than adults so if they are in a car, or other enclosed space, with cig smoke they inhale far more than an adult would.  He also said that their lungs are still developing so double the risk. 

 

I'm not having a go at smokers in general by the way as each to their own and people smoking does not bother me in the slightest, it's just the bloody irresponsible pathetic ones (like the woman interviewed) who smoke with young kids in the car and who can't see there's anything wrong with it that really annoy me.  IDIOTS !!! :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

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As the number of smokers and the places they can smoke has reduced, the number of lung and other cancer cases, and the number of asthma cases, has risen. They are trying to paint a picture of second hand (and even third hand) smoke being worse than actually smoking.

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Hi, never ventured into this section of this Forum before, seems like it is a duplicate of the National forum as topics could go in either.

 

OK, I smoke!!!! But I drive a lot and it just keeps me awake and dare I say it, I quite like it!

 

Secondly I challenge anyone to come up with scientific evidence that passive smoking causes any illnesses. We all hear about the lists of toxics that are in cigarette smoke but in order for them to cause harm they must be higher then the safe levels, so which ones exceed these limits?. Take for example Arsenic that are found in cigarette smoke, what are the levels of arsenic emitted from a cigarette? Arsenic can also be found in water, food, air, soil.

 

Thirdly if we accept smoking is wrong around children, how about drinking alcohol, for example?

 

PS: Next time you go to a barbecue think what the burning process is producing what chemicals and were are they going only millions if not billions of times more then from a cigarette. Then think of the red meat your about to eat, scientist say it is the single biggest factor in causing cancer in humans.

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Secondly I challenge anyone to come up with scientific evidence that passive smoking causes any illnesses. 

 

There are rafts of reports and evidence showing how harmful passive smoking is to others and especially children, you just choose to deny it. You are an addict and are trying to defend your actions.

 

 

 

Thirdly if we accept smoking is wrong around children, how about drinking alcohol, for example?

 

 

I never in all my time saw a parent take  a swig of alcohol and then spit half of it down their childs throat.  That is how absurd your comparison is.

 

 

 

 

PS: Next time you go to a barbecue think what the burning process is producing what chemicals and were are they going only millions if not billions of times more then from a cigarette. 

 

 

Would you light a barbecue in a car full of children?  Tobacco use is the highest risk factor in the world when it comes to getting cancer. (WHO statistics)

 

Lets face it, no matter what evidence is put before you  it will be met with instant denial as you don't want to accept that you are harming yourself and others around you with your need to feed your addiction.  If you smoke you stink, I have no issue with you harming yourself as it is a sort of natural selection,  if you smoke in a confined space with children around you are scum. 

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There are rafts of reports and evidence showing how harmful passive smoking is to others and especially children, you just choose to deny it. You are an addict and are trying to defend your actions.

 

 

There are a raft of reports detailing abductions by aliens and space ships, does not prove aliens exist. I waited all day for you to post some scientific evidence but you can't.

 

 

 

I never in all my time saw a parent take  a swig of alcohol and then spit half of it down their childs throat.  That is how absurd your comparison is.

 

 

 

No, but alcohol impairs judgement, changes personality. (Edited to take out comment)

 

 

 

Would you light a barbecue in a car full of children?  Tobacco use is the highest risk factor in the world when it comes to getting cancer. (WHO statistics)

 

Lets face it, no matter what evidence is put before you  it will be met with instant denial as you don't want to accept that you are harming yourself and others around you with your need to feed your addiction.  If you smoke you stink, I have no issue with you harming yourself as it is a sort of natural selection,  if you smoke in a confined space with children around you are scum. 

 

So toxins only occur in confined spaces you think?

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There are a raft of reports detailing abductions by aliens and space ships, does not prove aliens exist. I waited all day for you to post some scientific evidence but you can't.

 

 

No, but alcohol impairs judgement, changes personality. (Edited to take out comment)

 

 

 

So toxins only occur in confined spaces you think?

I actually can't believe I am bothering responding to this nonsense but I will humour you. Just so we are clear, do you really feel it is ok to smoke in a car with children as you don't believe it has any detrimental effect on their health?  

 

Go research what your filthy habit does to others, it may open your eyes as your addiction seems to have blinded you.  You can start by searching for  passive smoking and its links to asthma.  

 

There is no such thing as passive drinking and it is a thread about the selfish imposition on others the effects of your drug taking in the form of smoking .  Many problems arise from alcohol abuse but that does nothing to diminish the effects of nor justify smoking in a car with children present.  Using your cod logic I suppose  being drunk whilst driving a car with children present should be legal and tolerated then?

 

Toxins are concentrated and contained when produced in a confined space and dissipation takes a lot longer, any idiot should be able to see that.  I am glad you admit that cigarette smoke gives off toxins though, it is the crux of the debate.  What is pathetic is that scum who smoke in a car with children present need it to be made illegal to stop them. We shouldn't need to legislate but we sadly do. Do these "people" seriously care so little for their children's  lives and health that they can't get out of the car for a few minutes to feed the cravings of their addiction?  If so you have to genuinely question their suitability to be in the care of a child and their children's long term well being.

 

Tell me, do you smoke in a car with children present? If not would you?

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Surely there have been many cases of passive drinking....just ask the police ,ambulance & fire services called out drink related road accidents, or gas explosions caused by gas left on by drunken householders.....What about the woman battered by her partner "who gets like that when he's had a drink". ...Drink related incidents & violence in towns & cities across the land.At least smoking doesn't cause accidents ,unless the smoker is entering a house where a drunkard has left the gas on.

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That's not passive drinking Davy same as house fires caused by dirgarded cigarettes isn't passive smoking.

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The consequences are passive....a drink driver running over an unsuspecting pedestrian can be terminal & ,as far as the victim is concerned, certainly passive.

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The consequences are terrible and avoidable but not the result of passive drinking but drinking and driving. As I said the effects on lives of alcohol abuse is dreadful but it is completely different to passive smoking as you know

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Thinking about it , the only time I imagine anything could be construed as passive drinking would be an expectant mother drinking.  None of which has the slightest bearing on smoking while driving a car with a child as a passenger.  

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You responded PJ but you have not addressed any of the points I made, your just ranting and you really need to look up what passive means, but do your really think you can not inhale alcohol fumes?

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You responded PJ but you have not addressed any of the points I made, your just ranting and you really need to look up what passive means, but do your really think you can not inhale alcohol vapour?

That is hilarious, what a desperate addict you are. Have you ever become intoxicated by alcohol because someone near you was boozing? No you haven't and nor has anyone else.  That has to go down as one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on here and there has been some fine competition for that accolade.  So I know where we are at exactly,  would you or do you smoke in a car with children as passengers?  Do you feel it is fine to smoke in a car with children as passengers? 

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........ do your really think you can not inhale alcohol fumes?

I'm sitting here sniffing cider...I will report back later saying what effect, if any, inhaling the fumes has.  It smells like apples by the way and I wonder if it's counts towards my 5 a day fruit intake :lol:

 

PJ do you class all smokers as  'desperate addicts' and the likes or just Coffee ?  PS I mean 'Coffee' the person rather than coffee the drink.

 

You come across as sounding like you really detest anyone who smokes from the habit to the smell and everything in between that's associated with it, is that right ?

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I'm sitting here sniffing cider...I will report back later saying what effect, if any, inhaling the fumes has.  It smells like apples by the way and I wonder if it's counts towards my 5 a day fruit intake :lol:

 

PJ do you class all smokers as  'desperate addicts' and the likes or just Coffee ?  PS I mean 'Coffee' the person rather than coffee the drink.

 

You come across as sounding like you really detest anyone who smokes from the habit to the smell and everything in between that's associated with it, is that right ?

Just the ones who try to justify smoking in cars with children as passengers and those who feel the need to attempt to defend the indefensible actions and consequences of smoking.  I note Coffee will not answer the question most pertinent to the opening post which is , as a smoker(addict) would you or do you smoke in a car with a child as a passenger~?  Simple question yet always avoided.  I genuinely have no care or opinion of people who smoke away from folk who don't wish to be contaminated by their habit.  It isn't illegal, and there are loads of places to feed their habit away from young lungs.  Just want consideration for others.

ps.  been sniffing a glass of Glenfiddick for an hour now and feel no effects whatsoever, might as well drink it.

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He's gone quiet Dizzy....must have had an anger overload .

 

 

No anger at all, just don't suffer fools gladly

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Just the ones who try to justify smoking in cars with children as passengers and those who feel the need to attempt to defend the indefensible actions and consequences of smoking.  I note Coffee will not answer the question most pertinent to the opening post which is , as a smoker(addict) would you or do you smoke in a car with a child as a passenger~?  Simple question yet always avoided.  I genuinely have no care or opinion of people who smoke away from folk who don't wish to be contaminated by their habit.  It isn't illegal, and there are loads of places to feed their habit away from young lungs.  Just want consideration for others.

ps.  been sniffing a glass of Glenfiddick for an hour now and feel no effects whatsoever, might as well drink it.

Fair comment PJ and I agree with you 100% about idiots who smoke in cars with their children in it at the same time.  If it was allowed I'd happily shoot them for doing it grrr !!

 

How much of your Glenfiddick have you drunk now should I be worried lol

 

Have you always hated the smell of cigarette smoke by the way or is it just since you gave up smoking ?

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That is hilarious, what a desperate addict you are. Have you ever become intoxicated by alcohol because someone near you was boozing? No you haven't and nor has anyone else.  That has to go down as one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on here and there has been some fine competition for that accolade.  So I know where we are at exactly,  would you or do you smoke in a car with children as passengers?  Do you feel it is fine to smoke in a car with children as passengers? 

 

 

I asked you to provide links to back up your views on passive smoking, you haven't managed to do that. I have just said that alcohol fumes can have an effect on a third party, the fact you can smell alcohol proves this and incidentally you can get drunk on alcohol vapour!

 

You mentioned asthma before in a post. Bearing in mind that smoking rates were high between 1930 and 1970 and smoking was allowed eveywhere why was there no significant increase in asthma during that period, In fact if second hand smoke was is such a health risk then why was society not wiped out during this period.

 

The problem around the smoking issue isn't that of health no more, it is a political issue, the debate on banning e cigarettes proves that it is not about health no more.

 

I think people who drink alcohol who are in charge of children are scum, are you scum PJ?

 

 

 

No anger at all, just don't suffer fools gladly

 

Must be really hard living with yourself then PJ?

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