Dizzy Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Front page news tonight. The old Ship Inn on Chester Road is no more :sad:http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2015/09/10/chester-road-closed-after-walls-collapse/#prettyPhoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Old photo of it dated 1898 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 MAY 2012AUGUST 2014Tonight 10 SEPT 2015 - 5pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I suppose we should be thankful the building was not in use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 True, but it was still in use the builders/developers wouldn't have been prepping it for demolition (or whatever they were doing to it).Shame though as it was a lovely looking building but until the Jahan indian moved out last year after the whole site was all bought for housing. The garden centre had to go too.Such is this thing called 'progress' though...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Seems I'm talking to myself now but I don't mind.It was a Locally Listed Building.....outline planning application (submitted March 2014 and approved May 2014) had it down for conversion into residential along with the other locally listed building that was part of it.Works to the former Ship Inn itself were detailed as going to be 'minimised in order to retain the character and appearance of the building' Obviously that intention was changed somewhere down the line but the various planning docs do make rather interesting reading.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I have no real way of knowing but are these kinds of thing common in other towns? Seems commonplace in Warrington for disaster to befall 'inconvenient' buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Perhaps we should make a list of all these 'convenient' demolitions. Then request reports from the Police and Fire Service, put these details together with any relevant planning applications and permissions for demolition given by WBC, then post the b***** lot to the European Heritage Minister with a complaint that our cultural heritage/identity is being destroyed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Wow! well that didn't take long to demolish, not much time to appeal then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 You can still appeal alg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 So an extra 28 cars coming in and out of an almost blind junction on a daily basis.( that is if there are two cars per household). surely this was brought up in the planning application? not to bad if they are turning right coming out of the place but could be a disaster waiting to happen if they are turning left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 So an extra 28 cars coming in and out of an almost blind junction on a daily basis.( that is if there are two cars per household). surely this was brought up in the planning application? not to bad if they are turning right coming out of the place but could be a disaster waiting to happen if they are turning left. I am sure there were more then 28 cars arriving and leaving the site when it was a pub, or maybe not and that is why it closed. It is such a shame such buildings are being pulled down, it would have made a nice house. It is not as if the area needs more posh houses. Why was it historic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 So an extra 28 cars coming in and out of an almost blind junction on a daily basis.( that is if there are two cars per household). surely this was brought up in the planning application? not to bad if they are turning right coming out of the place but could be a disaster waiting to happen if they are turning left. They were considering building an exit road to the crematorium road Sid but it was refused on the grounds that it was a dead end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Algy? Algy? You forgot your coat :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I think it was more down to the fact that the estimates to build it were rising by more than the cost of living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Demolished on police advice apparently http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2015/09/17/historic-ship-inn-demolished-on-police-advice/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Perhaps we should make a list of all these 'convenient' demolitions. Then request reports from the Police and Fire Service, put these details together with any relevant planning applications and permissions for demolition given by WBC, then post the b***** lot to the European Heritage Minister with a complaint that our cultural heritage/identity is being destroyed? Demolished on police advice apparently http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2015/09/17/historic-ship-inn-demolished-on-police-advice/ SHA if there is a conspiracy here best not rely on police reports as they must be in on it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Wow.... Police are structural engineers now too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirerob1 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Hmm - just extended our house which required partial demolition/removal of the gable end which looked equally as bad if not worse than this so called collapse - have the Police engineers never heard of Acro props - did they consult a chartered civil engineer. Amateurs in charge of protecting our heritage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I read the article and have I got this right... The STRUCTURAL ENGINEER on site said the POLICE said the building should be demolished as a matter of public safety ?Surely the police should have been taking advice from the structural engineer and not the other way round and one would have thought that the council (with it being Grade II listed) would have had to have some say in it too. Until I read this latest article I did think that perhaps it was a genuine accident and 'act of god' but certainly makes you wonder eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Dizzy, are you implying that the police in this country may be ever so slightly less than straight at times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Maybe there was a top level structural engineer there who's secret identity is as a PCSO at night. Meek mild mannered structural engineer by day dedicated crime fighter by night. THE ENGINEER coming to a cinema near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 It's useful to know. Builders and engineers cost a fortune and now we know we can get better advice from any old copper who rocks up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Dizzy, are you implying that the police in this country may be ever so slightly less than straight at times? Don't know what Dizzy is implyingbut so far we only have Paul Kennadeys say so, Should Warrington worldwide not approach the Police for a statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 No I wasn't implying that PJ I was merely saying that it was strange that the police are said to have been the ones to say 'knock it' rather than others saying it. I suppose though when you think about it they [the police] went to an incident where they found part of a building which was right on the edge of a busy main road collapsed with the rubble IN the road.Their priority, and that of the other emergency services who were there, would have been to ensure the rest didn't fall into the road etc (dangerous) and that it was opened to traffic again asap. The police probably wouldn't have even know it was a Grade II listed building....but the structural engineers and other workers on the site would have known. Maybe they didn't say anything though...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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