P J Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 do try to keep up old chap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 yes please Dizzy, on that note, why is there no facility to delete your own posts? Just the way the forum works I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 do try to keep up old chap Hey! you young wippersnapper less of the old codger, cheeky bugger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 As if we're not getting "propaganda" from the other side ! Well it seems after that photo; most EU States are starting to sober up, and started to shore up their borders - perhaps too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Yes in the instance of this photo about 3 years too late. The public sympathy for the refugees and will to help is still there, they just don't scream as loud and as often as the hate brigades. Germany still expect to take in 500000 in a year making the UKs pitiful offer of 20000 over 5 years shameful considering our part in creating a lot of the upheaval. I never thought Britain would get a lesson in humanity from the German people but the world has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Humanity as you call it, it merely knee jerk emotion. Decision making based on emotion tends to be irrational and merely creates further problems down the road. The Germans or rather Frau Merkel, invited them all to Germany without any idea of how they would manage and now they realise they can't manage. The majority of this exodus are clearly economic migrants not refugees; many aren't even Syrian. The real refugees are where they supposed to be by international law, in the next safe countries (Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan), in camps that aren't being sufficiently funded. At least call me Dave, has the sense to recognise this, and the UK has supplied more funding to their relief than any other EU State. He's also recognised that, having had proper processing, these genuine refugees will be the one's the UK will take. Maybe it's too late, but as an air of logical decision making begins to permeate through European Governments, we may get sanity restored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Fear is an emotion too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 True; but an emotion of caution; which causes us to run from Lions and other threats; rather than get eaten ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Or to freeze and be to afraid to act properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Seems a great idea to encourage all the migrants up through Europe then suddenly close the border leaving them stranded. They will now have to settle in Serbia along with all the others being dragged along in their wake.At least it will protect the structure of the northern European countries & provide these people with a refuge closer to their homes so they can get back to Syria asap when the conflict is resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 "Act properly" - to my mind, "acting properly" is to act within and according to the law. There has been in place perfectly legal avenues for economic migrants to apply for a visa to stay in a country of their choice, providing of course, that the said country will give them a visa, and a sensibly managed immigration policy would allow US to pick and choose the skills we need for economic growth.. Thousands of foreign nationals are given visas to study at our universities, the fact that some over-stay and disappear is another matter. When it comes to refugees, the law is quite clear, and that's why Dave is concentrating on those that have "acted properly" by staying in the refugee camps in Turkey etc. Dave51; you don't imagine that many of these will "go back" do you; maybe for a holiday when it's all over?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 True; but an emotion of caution; which causes us to run from Lions and other threats; rather than get eaten ! you cannot escape a lion by running away. Ever hear of Androcles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 if you are close to a twenty foot drop into a river and have a head start on the lion you could probably escape by running and jumping into the river thus escaping the lion. after that it is just a matter of outswimming the crocodiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Think the idea is you don't get near to the Lion in the first place, it's all about being risk averse;; but failing that, you need to be a good tree climber ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 you cannot escape a lion by running away. Ever hear of Androcles? How do you think the Ethiopian athletes train PJ, just line em' up and shout "lion" behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 More on the ISIS flag waving, police attacking, Syrian refugees from yesterday http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-flag-picture-that-claims-to-show-refugees-attacking-police-goes-viral--and-is-a-lie-10501290.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 you cannot escape a lion by running away. Ever hear of Androcles? Didn't Androcles help the Lion by removing a thorn from its foot.... it went on to repay the gratitude by not eating him in the arena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Observer, sarcasm my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 ... and the latest (no doubt propaganda); asylum seekers in Denmark are protesting, cos they want to be allowed to move on to Sweden, where they claim benefits are better ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 are you denying that the ISIS flag posts were not propaganda? and don't trot out the line that all sides are using it, this was blatant lying and misrepresentation by the hate brigades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 The "flag posts" are nothing to do with me, and I'm not quoting them. But you can check out the Danish allegations. As for propaganda, we get it on TV news every night, pictures of these poor folk - they're only "poor folk" through their own decision to illegally enter other countries; and now Hungary is prepared to recognise this fact, and treat them accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 So Hungary are your new heroes, taken over from Australia have they? This was a vicious hate filled scare story based completely in lies and misusing a three and a half year old photograph that was neither of Syrians, nor of Refugees and even the case of it being an Isis flag is in doubt but the haters were frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to believe this bile. Hungary will kick and spit but Hungary will do as it is told or Hungary will be getting spanked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Huh? I've just told you, that the ISIS flag incident was nothing to do with me; and your still banging on about it. Hungary hasn't overtaken Australia; merely on a par, having like many other EU nations, reasoned, that illegal entry into a nation state is exactly that ILLEGAL; and now have the sense to apply restrictions. Even Germany has ditched Shengen to protect it's border with Austria, having finally realised the practical limits of it's hospitality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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