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As Antisthenes has pointed out "the boy was photographed lying on his front" - which would suggest that the photo was taken before the child was checked for signs of life. 

 

He could have already been checked at the scene though and then briefly placed back in the same position he was found for photographic evidence.  I have no idea but at the end of the day no amount of supposition (is that the right word) or discussion will bring the poor little mite back :( 

 

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and no amount of vicious accusations against the photographer will detract from the impact the photograph had .  It made compassionate people find their voice and they drowned out all the racists, bigots and moved Governments into action.  Probably one of the most powerful images ever taken and that is why some people ( with deep set  agendas) struggle to accept it.

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"and moved Governments into action."   Yes PJ. it gave Cameron the excuse to send bombers into Syria - despite the fact the house of commons had previously voted against it. 

How many innocent civilians - including babies, will be killed if they carry on these airstrikes? Have you even considered that?

 

If 'constructing' an image to try to get the public onside for all out war was the agenda, it appears (as todays political events show) to have gone t*ts up.   

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Sha  innocent civilians of all ages are already being killed over there by the likes if ISIS and others so what exactly do you suggest is the best way to stop it all ? 

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"and moved Governments into action."   Yes PJ. it gave Cameron the excuse to send bombers into Syria - despite the fact the house of commons had previously voted against it. 

How many innocent civilians - including babies, will be killed if they carry on these airstrikes? Have you even considered that?

 

If 'constructing' an image to try to get the public onside for all out war was the agenda, it appears (as todays political events show) to have gone t*ts up.   

Your arguments are all over the place.  You were applauding the RAF bombings IN SYRIA which not only took place before Aylan drowned and was photographed but before the imminent threat the Cardiff Jihadis  were meant to be posing.  The image was not constructed.  You have nothing but your own paranoia to base this allegation on.  The photographers were sent there to cover the refugee crisis in Bodrum for the local news .  They happened upon one of the many dead bodies that are getting washed up because of the huge outpouring of refugees from a war torn country.  She took the shots as that is her job.  She never made it viral, public opinion did.  She never found him on the rocks and thought, I will drag him down the beach for a better photo opportunity and you know it.  Its nasty , unfounded and frankly stupid to suggest and allege so.  The image has galvanised the moral majority not given Cameron carte Blanche to bomb Syria.  I don't think bombing Syria is the way to stop Syrians escaping bombings in their own country.   

 

p.s.  Cameron STILL has no mandate to bomb Syria regardless how loudly you applaud his possible illegal actions to date.

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I read Sha's comments to mean that he/she was NOT in support of Cameron's air strikes.....just saying like

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Well, the killing of the Welsh Jihadi and his mates has certainly made headlines - and taken attention off the two drowned brothers.

Britons shocked to the core by the senseless death of babies have now bounced back in true fighting spirit - Good on the RAF !

 

 

 

I beg to differ,  just saying.

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I was referring to this one about all out war which was the one you quoted sorry... rather than a drone attack on some two terrorists,  just saying :D

 


 
If 'constructing' an image to try to get the public onside for all out war was the agenda, it appears (as todays political events show) to have gone t*ts up.

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You know!, this why the world is in one unholy mess because people can't get their acts together and all pull in the same direction, everyone seems to have a point to make spending their valuable allotted time on this planet trying to prove either verbally or physically that the other person is wrong when they could put that energy to better use, every negative thought that is used detracts from what could otherwis have a positive affect on their own or someone elses life.

99 years ago the British army and her allies fought the German army from July 1st to November 1916 the total casualty figures have never accurately been assessed but both sides suffered aproximately 1.5 million casualties and for that the British and her allies advanced around seven miles, goodness knows what the final tally was, I know I don't, that conflict gained very little  as the world erupted into a second World War in 1938,. There are no winners, so P J and Sha why dont you both meet up and have a quiet pint down at the pub and stop bickering!!!!

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do try to keep up Dizzy :wink:

 

and that bit you quoted neither supports nor opposes bombing Syria.

I try my best to keep up PJ but god it's hard at times :blink::lol:   My head hurts again !!

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...and I completely missed yours Algy as it was on the next new page when I was replying and I didn't even realise there was a next page.  I need time out....please...anyone....can Gary perhaps ban me.... I'll pay !!

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You know!, this why the world is in one unholy mess because people can't get their acts together and all pull in the same direction, everyone seems to have a point to make spending their valuable allotted time on this planet trying to prove either verbally or physically that the other person is wrong when they could put that energy to better use, every negative thought that is used detracts from what could otherwis have a positive affect on their own or someone elses life.

99 years ago the British army and her allies fought the German army from July 1st to November 1916 the total casualty figures have never accurately been assessed but both sides suffered aproximately 1.5 million casualties and for that the British and her allies advanced around seven miles, goodness knows what the final tally was, I know I don't, that conflict gained very little  as the world erupted into a second World War in 1938,. There are no winners, so P J and Sha why dont you both meet up and have a quiet pint down at the pub and stop bickering!!!!

what an amusing parallel to draw Algy.  2 people disagreeing on a tin pot forum and the whole world going to war causing the senseless death of millions of people.  Not much difference is there? So all the strife in the World

is nothing to do with religion, American interference or corrupt regimes, it's all down to two people disagreeing on a Warrington forum.  For the sake of World peace and harmony this forum must be closed down instantly, its why the world is in an unholy mess.  You couldn't choose not to be a part of the War, it came and found you, reading posts on this forum is not compulsory.  Hope you are enjoying your new role of self appointed  forum Bobby, well more like a PCSO :wink:

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I very much doubt it was two people in ye olde Warrington Market disagreeing over something that kicked it off but then again :wink:

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And my name (on here) PJ is Algy not Bobby! :wink:

Did you not notice you had already been demoted to PCSO :D

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PJ, and how do you think the first world war started?.

 

And my name (on here) PJ is Algy not Bobby! :wink:

Apologies again Algy, wikipedia proves you were  right. :wink:

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Don't believe everything that you read on Wikipedia PJ.

 

The cause for WW1 kicking of was that on the morning of June 28, 1914 The Serbian Gavrilo Princip decided not to have his usual lie in and leapt out of bed stubbing his big toe on the comode, this put him in an extremely foul mood, he went down stairs to read his morning paper and discovered his dog Ferdinand had torn it to shreds with the only page readable being the one describing the intended visit by Archduke Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg to Sarajevo which as they say "put the nail in the coffin" as the day previously the Bosnia and Herzegovina'n hopscotch team of which Gavrilo was a regular reserve player had been beaten by Austria 12 -0, who had fielded the one legged player Helmut Yoghurtzmuller, B & H had unsuccessfully appealed against the result on the grounds that a one legged player held a massive advantage over two legged players, so the thought of Archduke Ferdi coming to Sarajevo to gloat over his nations defeat was just too much for Gavrilo who took up his pistol and shot the dog and also the postman who as he was leaving wished him good morning, his trusty bicycle had a puncture and it was raining heavily which only exasperated his rage, so by the time he arrived by Moritz Schiller’s cafe on Franz Joseph Street he was in a blind rage, as the Archdukes motorcade came round the corner and much to Gavrilo's surprise and consternation who should be driving the Archduke, why nonother than Helmut Yoghurtzmuller, Gavrilo could stand no more and drew his pistol taking careful aim at the driver, hiccupped and shot the Archduke instead - the rest is history.

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In my history book it says Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria's pint. Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit because there are splashes on its trouser leg. Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view. Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit. Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria's trousers. Russia and Serbia look at Austria. Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at. Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone. Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so. Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene. Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it? Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action. Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium. Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone. Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium. France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria. Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it. France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change. Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting. America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself. By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

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