observer Posted November 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 .. which would tend to contradict your first sentence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Fair point. Guess what I tried to say is that neither in reality will result in a dramatic reduction in immigration. Main parties because it would cost them the "liberal" votes that they need to keep/take power, and the BNP because they will never get enough votes. The reality is that immigration reduces when the UK becomes economically unattractive in comparison to elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Errm, but with an economic downturn predicted globally that economic theory won't apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Seems Jaqui Smith knew back in July about the Home Office clanger of employing "illegal" immigrants - still, she will no doubt face the commons today, with a hard face and a neck of brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Alas both of your posts are true Observer, I was trying to look on the optimistic side with mine....and as one local voter said to me today, looking at the state of the country, "glad I'm 78". [ 13.11.2007, 17:00: Message edited by: Paul Kennedy ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Settle Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 you talked to a voter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Not just a voter, many voters.....it's a new high risk strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 The current disengagement between the political class, with their Ivory Tower mentality; and the everyday practical experience of the public; is the cause of the current malaise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 That depends on what they focus on, and whether it ticks the boxes. Isn't it about accessing Government funding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Jaquie Smith's report to Parliament, provided a reasonable excuse on the face of it: IE: that she wished to establish the fact before alerting Parliament and the public, thus removing the possibility of erroneous information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 See the Government are to "ban" FAILED assylum seekers from using the NHS - fair enough. What's up with a mini bus to the Airport, and a plane home ASAP?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 According to the Daily Mail: four out of five new jobs created have gone to immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Makes you wonder who would be doing the jobs if they didn't......also makes you wonder what the jobs are....and do we really need them to be done anyway.......how many are in the wealth creating sector and how many in the state sector. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Well the motive is clear; as the Cadbury move to Poland indicates - it's all about CHEAP labour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ratman Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I havn't been on this website for over 12 months. I thought i'd have a look in and see what's winding people up. The old immigration chestnut seems to be doing the trick. This forum, it seams , is clogged with a minority of over zealous, daily mail waving,conservative, racist bigots. The whole tone of this thread leaves a very nasty taste in ones mouth. I hear these banal, boring conversations in construction site tea rooms on almost a daily basis by people who can bearly string a couple of sentences together. If you go looking for bad, all you will find is bad, ie , reading the daily mail and logging onto migration watch website. There's always two sides to a story, take the blinkers off and see the world from other perspectives.In any given society there's always gonna be shirkers and the takers, but not's let tar every economic migrant with the same brush, the vast majority come here to make a better life for themselves and in doing so contribute to our society.What's wrong with that? Ratman.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 You obviously havn't read the arguements contained in this topic; which have absolutely nothing to do with "racism" (EG: the Poles are a "Nationality" not a "Race"), so you can forget using that liberal catch-all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Seems no one is prepared to get a grip of the immigration farce: latest - over 6,000 "illegal" immigrants have been issued with NI numbers; many securing employment (illegally) with private security firms; which in turn contract to the Government. Yer just couldn't make this up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ratman I'll tell you whats wrong with it. The United Kingdom took thousands of years to develop itself from peasants living in mud huts. We are a tiny island in which a few people by birth and hard work of our forefathers have been lucky enough to enter this world in a somewhat civilised, law abiding utopia of respect for fellow men. As good as it is, it is not an infinate supply of land, housing, jobs and economical balance. Over the past 50 years, especialy the last 12 the resources of this country has deminished vastly, while its immigrant population has grown. We nationals are loosing our identity, culture and national weatlth all in the name of being fair to those not fortunate enough to be born here. Is it racism to say enough already ?, is it racism to say, sorry we are full? The UK needs time to settle, too many are coming here to take a peice of the pie, I don't blame them for wanting to, but were no longer in a possition to offer succor. We have average house prices now at ?150,000.00 and I suspect the average sallary is only ?30,000.00 at best, so mr average cannot but a house except by taking out fince at 5x which 20 years ago a mortgage lender would have laughed at as unaffordable...he was right but we have no choice. this is driven by more people in the country requiring housing...simple! the roads were announced yesterday as the most congested in the world, well every car needs a driver...what % are immigrants do you think. Our NHS once the pride of the nation is now the poor man of europe becouse it cant cope. Im not blaming these bad things on immigrants, I'm saying they are a contributory factor. I dont want anything bad to happen to people from abroad, I dont want them to suffer in any way, maybe instead of coming here they should model their economy on ours and create their own wealth state as we have no real export industry anymore, all we have is people, they have lots of them too. Why is it we can no longer complain about being abused without some half minded fool accusing us of an imorral dislike of foriegners, race or religeon, its only so their weak arguments can have impact. you say they add to the ecoconomy, plenty do, however I firmly believe that this is offset by those that drain the ecconomy, of which there are only official figures of the ones we know about. I am not racist most british people arnt racist were just fed up of being told to like it or be branded racist...well were not, but we still dont like it. The gates should now be closed. Failed assylum seakers can be shipped out...DNA will tell us where to! Let us put britain back on the map our own way, it was only when we were allowed to do this did we help the developed world the most as it was us that made it developed. [ 17.01.2008, 12:50: Message edited by: legion ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Watched a TV PROG showing just how Africans enter Europe ILLEGALY: via Libya to Italy and Malta; and of course via the Canaries. BUT what perplexed me was the way they are dealt with when caught. Meanwhile, on the Eastern Front; another of our EU Members (Poland); is doing the same thing by releasing large numbers of Ukranianians into the system. Clearly the UK, isn't the only incompetant nation in the world - the sooner we can escape the madness of the European Union the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Well we told you so: the Government was warned about the dangers of extending access to the UK to Rumania. So it's back to Fagan and Oliver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 With Chief Constables pleading for more money to deal with increased crime arising from immigration; we now have the NHS reeling under the impact of immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little fella Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 The daily express supported my a government minister on tv today said that immigrants here are also allowed to claim child benefits even though the children are living in their own country, never been to England, never will come to England, and the Government do not know if they are telling the truth about the amount of children they claim to have. What sort of madness is this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alana Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Does this mean I can claim for my child born in the UK and as parents we paid taxes upto the day we left ?....somthing tell me NO We Ex Pats get together over here and talk about how we can not belive what is happening in the UK.. Over here in the USA no chance of getting somthing for nothing...We started paying taxes here from day one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Originally posted by little fella: The daily express supported my a government minister on tv today said that immigrants here are also allowed to claim child benefits even though the children are living in their own country, never been to England, never will come to England, and the Government do not know if they are telling the truth about the amount of children they claim to have. What sort of madness is this. I'm sure that I saw a headline saying this was costing ?5 Billion a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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