observer Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 With a neck of brass, Fony Bliar has the nerve to warn Labour against a move to the left - a move towards actually being a socialist party; saying that such a move would be to ignore the electorate. Well Tony, just look at the Scottish result; Labour lost because it was seen as too right wing and out of touch with working folk; the Scots calling them "Red Tories". A similar view will no doubt exist in the rest of the Country, outside London and the S/East by Labour voters. Jeremy Corbyn is clearly the heavier amongst a quartet of lightweight candidates for Leader, and carries some conviction in his beliefs, unlike most all things to all men, politicians of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 But, even if Corbyn won the vote, would he have enough party support to table his policies & parliamentary clout to implement any ? Most MPs these days will nail their colours to whichever mast benefits their own careers never mind what their "principles" dictate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 They're probably due for a long spell in opposition, until the Tories have finished taking us back to the 30s and beyond, and run out of steam, like they did under Maggie. By then the electoral landscape will have changed considerably, making any alternative appealing. But your right in a way Dave, no doubt the Bliarite careerists would bail out, as did the gang of four in the past. The problem with the political Party system is, that despite their use of focus groups, their political dogma overrides public opinion; leaving voters to have to take the bad along with the good. EG: The SNP are pro-EU and pro-immigration, but there is no evidence that Scots voters support that position, in fact the opposite. It would seem common sense for a political party to base their policies on majority public opinion as expressed in opinion polls, which might make the terms right and left redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 The SNP are pro-EU and pro-immigration, but there is no evidence that Scots voters support that position, in fact the opposite. Utter crap. UKIP and especially Farage, the only anti immigration anti EU party to stand in Scotland in the election were absolutely destroyed . They only polled 47000 against the pro EU pro Immigration SNP who polled 1,454,436 but don't let the facts get in the way of a Daily Mail style lie dressed up as truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Just because folk have voted for a Party, doesn't for a minute mean they believe in ALL their policies; merely a question of priorities; and the Scots priority was an anti-UK party one. But I don't think, just cos they wear skirts, that the Jocks are a load of luvvies ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Nor are they raging racists and bigots as shows by the lack of support for UKIP and the fact that Farage was run out of town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 They have their "alternative" to the usual three parties - and they voted for it. Anti-austerity was their priority; but it doesn't mean they're all luvvies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 They despise Farage and UKIP in general, can't blame them. Another of your made up facts debunked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Oh, you know what "they" all think then?! Tis you who makes it up as you go along. btw Have you sorted out where the first million migrants are going, then the next million and so on, or does that take an ability to see beyond next week?! Perhaps we could send them all to Scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Another pointless bit of "handbags at three paces" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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