observer Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Australia's policy of intercepting migrant boat people and taking them to Papua New Guinea, rather than let them land in Australia, seems to be working. The numbers attempting the trip has now diminished considerably; unlike the flood coming into Europe, where a policy of rescue and free trip into Europe, can only encourage even more to attempt the trip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Australia's immigration camp seems to be a blot on their country that is being kept at arms length. As for our middle eastern immigrants who are probably the result of the west meddling in their politics & culture ,their blood is on the hands of western leaders. No matter what despots were/are in power in these countries ,did the west have a right to change what they were used to then just walk away ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Not sure "blot" is the word most folk would use, especially one that resolves the issue, by ending the flood. No doubt many have been displaced by war, but even they have passed through many "safe" countries, prior to seeking "asylum" in the EU. The Dublin Convention (International Law) requires that asylum be sought in the NEXT safe Country to one's home country, when seeking asylum; that would mean none would reach the EU, and certainly not the UK. However, most are not fleeing war or persecution, but merely seeking "a better life", neither are they particularly poverty stricken, when they can afford to pay criminal traffickers for the privilege of such an unsafe journey. Unless stopped now, it will mean a never ending flood, of illegal entrants into Europe. The Ozzies have resolved the issue, mind you they don't have the ECHR on their back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Ah the stench of hypocrisy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Slight difference in numbers and resources at the time, and the Aboriginals were boat people themselves; so perhaps the Kangaroos have a complaint ! Still no answers PJ, just myopic bleeding heart liberal nonsense to get us further into the mire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 why are you bothered about Australian immigration? You have no answers, well no credible ones, I am simply not deluded enough to think that anything I post on a dead end forum will make a blind bit of difference. When the English landed in Australia and took over the country from the Aboriginals, they used to take the babies from their mothers, bury them up to their necks then take a run up and kick the babies head off. Makes you sort of warm inside I bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Not bothered about Ozzie immigration, as they've got a grip of it, and shown how it can be done. So yes, the answers are out there, you just can't bring yourself to admit that your clueless. As for this "dead end forum" as you say; if it's so "dead end" why do you bother with it ? As for anecdotes from 18C Australia, perhaps, in keeping with current luvvie trends, we could commission a public inquiry into your allegations involving aboriginal child abuse ? ! As your only answer is to stick your head in the sand and offer your rear; perhaps you could tell us how we accommodate the first million, above the 250,000 a year net we already take; then, encouraged by the first million, the second million and so on. All this at a time when we have a Gov bent on cuts in public expenditure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Haven't the courts ruled against a fast track removal procedure as well ,so it will making getting rid of undesirables harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I'm sure there are also plenty of refugees in these countries who can't afford to leave the danger zones they are stuck in. The meddling of the last 20 years has left a vacuum that has bred anarchy & unfortunately the only organisations making the situation work to their advantage are IS/Al Qaeda. Unless stable governments are formed in these countries matters will only get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Sorry Dave, but Bush and Bliar let the genie out of the bottle, by getting rid of the Secular Dictators. However, the majority of illegal traffic consists of economic migrants, and those that can afford $1,000 a throw. By turning them round, by taking them back, the message would go out loud and clear that such journeys are futile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Ah yes, by paying people smugglers cash to go elsewhere. Top solution. Not bothered about Ozzie immigration, as they've got a grip of it, and shown how it can be done. As for anecdotes from 18C Australia, perhaps, in keeping with current luvvie trends, we could commission a public inquiry into your allegations involving aboriginal child abuse ? I think you will find that beyond, yours, mine and the combined might of all the Warrington Worldwide Forums posters ability to affect, get a grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 I'm sure all our rantings are being monitored somewhere along the information super highway PJ. Maybe even somebody in a place of power will get some good advice off here via the internet snoopers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 I'm sure all our rantings are being monitored somewhere along the information super highway PJ. Maybe even somebody in a place of power will get some good advice off here via the internet snoopers. Thank God for that, I just thought you were deluded this has really made my day , thank you Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 "Top solution" ? It's a solution dumbo, it achieves an objective - IE; stopping them entering Oz. If it does the job, it's a solution - you don't have any. As for my sarcastic referral to your child abuse anecdote, you obviously missed the extracted urine. So let's get back to your open door policy: so we let in the first million, ignoring the fact we can't build enough houses, find enough school places etc for them; now what about the next million, and the million after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Why are you being so insulting? Is your argument so poor that you feel that is your only way to have it heard? Change the record Observer, you seem to have worn this one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 As for this "dead end forum" as you say; if it's so "dead end" why do you bother with it ? When I visited Gibraltar I paid to go on the cave tour to see the remains of a Neanderthal settlement. Go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 The record isn't "worn out", the problem is current and continues; your ilk have no solutions to stopping it; in fact, the opposite, it will get worse. So pray tell us, what your plans are for the first million, then the next million etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Australia has not got a grip on immigration and has to bribe the other Countries involved to take them, and they are so poor they need the money. With the exception of Greece most European Countries aren't that desperate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 There you go then pay greece to take them problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Beat me to it Sid !!! Kyje, illegal migration to Australia is down to almost nil, as a result of a no compromising policy. If these people know their journey is futile and will result in being turned around, they won't take it. Nothing new in paying some country to block the flow, Gadaffi was a regular receiver of funding to act as gate keeper for Europe, until idiotic Govs helped get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 No its not Obs, And you must agree that bribing poor nations to take them is not a solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 "Bribing poor nations" eh? While poor folk in the UK suffer draconian cuts; seems we're still "bribing poor nations" with a ring fenced overseas aid budget, but bribing them for what, I don't know. A solution Kije, is for a Gov with some conviction and backbone to ensure that illegal migrants don't get to the UK or even Europe, and deport every one found here. The Ozzies are doing it and it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Obs... you do post some contradictory ideas at times... on another thread you are singing the praises of Jeremy Corbyn and his lefty ideals and yet here you are advocating instant deportation and the removal of the ring fence around foreign aid.... you can't have both; if the left side of Labour ever get back into power, it would be an immigration free for all just as it was during the last Labour government....only worse. If you want Labour to head towards an English version of the SNP, just remember what their stance on Europe and immigration is..... Nightmare scenario... let them all stay and then worry about how to feed and house and clothe them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Totally agree Baz, I was merely suggesting what's best for Labour imo. The fact remains that they have lost a huge amount of support to UKIP, due to (as you rightly say), their weak position on immigration and Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Baz... you do post some contradictory ideas at times... on another thread you are banging on about how immigration has increased dramatically over the past 5 years .......................... need I remind you who is in power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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