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Seems Manchester (Region????), is to have control of it's NHS budget; piecemeal devolution and no comparison with the Scottish experience. So basically, a dog's dinner emerging. But why a City like Manchester, rather the N/W Region as a whole?  Think one has to be a cynic to figure out, that given the grief that NHS issues causes Gov, to off load responsibilty and hence blame; it suits the Tories to put Labour Councils in the firing line. So yet another example of the Party comes first, and the interests of the Country last.

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The labour party couldn't run a pi$$up in a brewery that was giving away free beer..... heaven help us if the devolution ever gets to Warrington

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:lol:  That pre-supposes Baz, that National Government or a Scots parliament are any better.  The point I'm making, given the commitment to Scots and Welsh Devolution, is that there is no comparable sized arrangements being proposed for England, in order to achieve some structural uniformity throughout the UK.  We have an archaic political structure in this Country; modern devolved arrangements exist in Germany and Australia (with a smaller population); so why the difficulty? Part of the issue with the NHS, is it's link to Social Services (Elderly Care); which the bed-blocking saga has exposed; so some form of integration is required there in any case.

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It has been termed as a region & part of the northern power house so it is no doubt linked in some way to the HS2 contribution to the northern hub.

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Frankly Dave, don't think they've got a clue - merely back of envelope scripts.  Labour brought in Metropolitan County Councils decades ago, then Maggie scrapped them; now they want them back, plus a Mayor - which nobody seems to have asked for.

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It was Ted Heath that brought in the Metropolitan County Councils in 1972. A stupid idea from a stupid PM (one of many stupid ideas of his).

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Thanks Wolfie, thought I'd had memory lapse for a minute; and would have to join the Greens !  :lol:  Margaret scrapped the Metropolitan County Councils, but for some strange reason kept the Rural County Councils - wonder why?!  Then we moved to Unitary Borough Councils (a tier below), where some uniformity of structure now exists. Alas, the inability of politicians to get there heads round the idea of a structure between Westminster and Local Councils; that can have similar powers to Scotland and Wales (IE English Devolution); must appear threatening to the status quo and as we know; turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

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The change came about in 1974 but the legislation that brought about the change was passed in 1972 under the Ted Heath government as I said.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Act_1972

 

A change like that doesn't happen overnight you know.

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Is this new region any different to what is the present Greater Manchester ? No doubt it will give its mayor an inflated pay packet to go with its inflated title.

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The legislation brought about in 1972 was based on proposals from 1969 which Harold Wilson had accepted and published in a white paper. Ted Heaths government altered the proposals and published their own white paper. I accept that the county councils were elected in 1973 but they were not formally established until April 1974, and it certainly wasn't Ted Heaths idea, no matter how stupid it was.

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Whatever Wolfie, whatever :roll: :roll:

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Is exactly who did exactly what exactly how, decades ago, at all pertinent to the OP and the devolution question appertaining to this millennium ?

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Don't sulk Wolfie :lol:

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