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If someone starts firing rockets into your Country are you supposed to just take it; or are the Jews, believing in the old testament, right in taking an eye for an eye ?

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Gut reaction. lob a few back.

 

political reaction. Is it the countries legal gov that is lobbing the missiles over or is it some outside party that is trying to stir up trouble.

 

American reaction. lob missiles at both sides and sort it all out after the smoke clears, blame it on the cia or the communists.

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Some Tory MEP wants to medevac all the wounded out of Gaza; and some Bishop wants to save the Christians in Iraq. Add this to medevac cases of ebola and guess where they'll be heading !

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Given that it is Hamas' stated aim to wipe Israel off the map and kill every single Jew in the process, I think that Israel would be foolish to "turn the other cheek". Israelis use their missiles to protect their population. Hamas use their population to protect their missiles. It is notable how little support Hamas is getting from the wider Arab world, I think they are becoming a bit of an embarrassment now.

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The reporters in Gaza are restricted in what they are allowed to broadcast by their Hamas minders, for example they aren't allowed to show Hamas missiles being fired from residential areas/schools/hospitals. The Hamas leadership are, of course, in the front line at errrmmmm a 5 star hotel in Qatar!

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Amazingly & sadly,  the crisis highlights what a useless organisation the United Nations is ....we have a situation that has been simmering since just after WW2 when the State of Israel was born on the say so of the UN/League of Nations & America & nearly 70 years on the nations of the world have not been able to encourage or provide stability & harmony in the Holy Land.

 

Meanwhile in Iraq ,& twenty years after the first interference in its affairs by the western allies , the lid is well & truly off Pandora's Box. 

 

We have 2 crises of unimaginable scale in humanitarian terms & the UN is once more seen to have no teeth .

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If you deliberately poke your neighbors pit bull with twig should you expect sympathy when it bites your bloomin leg off?

 

Hamas are crazy people with aims that have no place in a modern world but it's the people they claim to represent that suffer as a result.

 

Bonkers!

 

Bill :)

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Interesting how the common sense views of posters reflecting majority public opinion, differs from the TV News propaganda that we're being fed nowadays. Makes one wonder whether our TV companies are now tailoring their news reporting to suit an increasing Muslim audience?

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I think the news coverage is just about as fair as it can be given the circumstances. Neither side in the conflict is in the right but at least we do get to see and hear both sides of the story.

 

When you look at the Palestinian death rates, the eye for an eye analogy dosn't really hold good and fireworks are no match for laser guided bombs and missiles. To be fair to the Israilies though, they've have had first hand experiance of attempts to exterminate them so there's no way they're ever going to simply turn the other cheek.

 

 

Bill :)

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You would really expect the Israelis to bend over backwards to ensure they are not tarred with the same brush as their former Nazi oppressors though.

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Bill, I'd estimate around 90% of the reporting is from inside Gaza; basically where the bodies are. Hamas are basically trying to win a propaganda war through the media using the lives of their women and children; which demonstrates the contempt they must have for their own people. The problem with the media is that they just go rubber necking for death and destruction, appealing to public sympathy without a rational appraisal of the overall situation. In war, people get killed (including civilians), and the idea that you can sanitize it with "smart bombs" to the extent that only "the bad guys" get killed, is a modern fiction put about so the public will tolerate wars happening in the first place.

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Well unfortunately that’s life for you.

 

Some would no doubt claim there's some kind of political conspiracy to bias the media but I reckon it's much simpler than that and has more to do with them providing what people actually want to see. It's a business after all and someone somewhere makes the decisions about what people want to see in a ten-minute slot and I suspect the visuals count for a lot more than the balance of coverage.

 

Lets face it, we're all rubber neckers and and they know that but if half of the coverage was some old Israeli spokesman repeating the same old stuff then people would change channel and they wouldn't want that.

 

 

Bill :)

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So, there seems to be a consensus here that the Israeli forces aren't doing anything wrong and it's all the fault of THE MEDIA! if some people might perceive it otherwise.

 

Righto.

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Fugt:  perhaps YOU could cite precisely what the "Israelis are doing wrong"?  The complaint from Baroness Varsi, the muslim "community" in the UK, plus their lefty camp followers, is that the Israeli action is "disproportionate" - whatever that supposed to mean. If someone attacks your country and it's people; however primitive their weapons are, however competent your defensive preparations (iron dome and shelters); it seems perfectly legitimate to strike back using the full potential of your arsenal, to eliminate the threat - it's called "war".  In WW2 we suffered around 60,000 civilian deaths from German bombing, when Air Marshal "bomber" Harris finished, the Germans suffered an estimated 600,000 civilian deaths - if "you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind".  Hamas is a terrorist organisation dedicated to the extinction of Israel, they've chosen to spend their aid money on building a vast tunnel system in order to penetrate Israel and raid Israeli settlements, they've chosen to spend their money on rockets from the Iranians which they fire from civilian areas sheltered behind the bodies of their own women and children. If folk want someone to blame for all this carnage, then the finger clearly points to Hamas, and the sooner the Palastinian Arabs and their luvvie supporters realise this, the better.

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A rather simplistic analysis Lt Kije. Also it doesn't alter the fact that Israel is a legitimate state which has bent over backwards to try and come to a peaceful solution to the very complex problem. Unfortunately the leaders of the population of Gaza are unwilling to come to any solution that doesn't result in the annihalation of the non Muslim population of Israel. You only have to look at the horrifying slaughter that the Muslims in Syria and Iraq are inflicting on each other as well as anybody that does not bow to their idea of "peace". Israel is an oasis of sanity in a region of madness, and unfortunately there are people around the world applauding the insanity. Shame on all the politicians and media who support Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.

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Interesting, that doubts are now arising (at the BBC among other places), that the casualty stats from Gaza (issued by the Hamas controlled Health Ministry) are being misrepresented to imply larger numbers of women and children, than seems to be the case. Closer analysis, shows a higher proportion of men of military age are being killed, which suggests the "bad guys" are in fact being targeted and killed.

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Simplistic, I disagree their were Israeli terror organisations, And they did kill British troops. So Israel is a State born out of a terrorist organisation FACT.

 

A fact that won't fit with a lot of people.

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Hey Lt Kije, I am not disagreeing with you on that point. However the Israel that exists today is a legal entity in the eyes of the world, and as such is legitimately entitled to defend itself against attacks from outside. My dad was stationed in post WW2 Palestine and later complained about the terrorists who had been shooting at him becoming politicians in the new state. All same IRA/Northern Ireland isn't it?

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