observer Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 More facts for Kije to ignore:- Rumanian immigrant Mihai Toma and his family of 15 children, living on £4,600/month in benefits; is demanding a bigger council house. Mr Toma earns £1,800/mth as an electrician; gets £2,500/mth in tax credits; £1,400/mth housing benefit and £700/mth in child benefit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 But really speaking who do we blame ? The government of the day for having such amounts available or the people who claim the money or whichever politicians signed us up to a policy of open Euro borders. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I have no idea how these people get the benefits. A chap near me has been out of work for 3 years, when he went to sign on he was asked did he have any other income. He stated that he had a small company pension of £75 per week, on which he was told that he wasn't entitled to any benefits. After a lot of heated exchanges he said to hell with it just put me down as unemployed then. No such thing as unemployed he was told, you are either getting Job seekers allowance or you're not, if you're not then officially you aren't looking for work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 In this example, at least the guy is working, but to hear the luvvies talk, he'll be paying more in tax than he takes out; clearly not the case. Added to his benefits bill, will be the children's requirement for education and health services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702493/Romanian-family-17-lied-house-live-three-bedroom-London-semi-home-55-000-year-benefits.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 The 19 year old daughter said "we have the benefits it’s because it is our right in this country. We like it here, it’s a nice place" I wonder why they like it here and why they don't like Romania with its gypsies and poverty? They are net takers from the system and should be booted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 The father is an electrician and is on good money so if he had a normal size family there would be no need for him to claim ANY benefits or housing at all.Maybe the rules should be changed so that people who have huge families shouldn't be able to come over here in the first place and those that do come over with no children or just a couple shouldn't get extra benefits if they then continue to reproduce at a silly rate.Saying that there are uk born families who have huge families too and claim every benefit going so I guess that wouldn't work.Two bricks would be cheap and would should sort it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 The "Treaty" refers to the "free movement of labour", not families; but if we deported his family, he'd probably win " a right to a family life" at the ECHR. Only answer to this nonsense is to get out of the EU and ECHR. As if to emphasise just how ridiculous our so called border security is; some migrants were arrested in France, trying to get home from the UK, (under lorries) - yer just couldn't make it up ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 They did indeed arrest illegals "escaping" from Britain.... but the French promptly returned them to Britain on the next boat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I have not seen the story Obs, but it is an extreme example you are trying to pass of as the norm? Oh look Obs talking about immigration AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 That's your problem, you don't want to see it, the reality offends your luvvie dreamworld. In this instance, it was emigration; immigrants trying to get back home under lorries ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 So is the example you gave us the norm in that they are all doing it, or an extreme, I think it is an extreme, do you,? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Your attempts to convolute the argument are a standard tactic for those who've lost the argument; but the point being made in this case is the absolute porous nature of our borders and to note the efficiency with which the French don't allow them back into France, having let them get through to the UK originally. The UK Gov have completely lost it; not knowing who, where or how many illegals are here; and due to the EU and ECHR legal straight jackets, being powerless to do anything about it, even if they were motivated. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 So it isn't an extreme example, get real Obs!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Hey??? It's an example of just how porous our borders are; we can't even stop them getting out, never mind getting in. While you want "examples" - CH5 did a documentary (illegal immigrants and proud); in which an Indian illegal immigrant, who entered the UK 16 years ago, was actually trying to get back home. During his 16 year stay; he'd had two hip replacement ops and a skin graft on his leg, courtesy of the NHS. Because he'd destroyed all his documentation when he entered the UK, the Indian Embassy refused his claim for repatriation - leaving us stuck with him. This is the kind of nonsense that your ilk are trying to defend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 No its an extreme your passing off as the norm 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 The whole scenario is "extreme"; the migration of peoples in huge numbers and over such a short space of time is unprecedented. It's not just from Africa and M/East to Europe; but Asia to Australia, and S/America to the USA; all moving to a "better life"; regardless of the capacity of those countries to take them. The situation is totally out of control and liberals in denial haven't helped. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 So we have "illegals" sneaking into the country and we don't know how many per day and we have "illegals" sneaking out of the country and again we don't know how many per day. Given that info one could assume that the number sneaking in is equal to the number sneaking out so the net amount of illegals in the country is zero. By gum I'll make it as a politician yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Seems Dave is making an effort to appease public anger at being ripped off by immigrants; he's reduced benefit payments from 6 to 3months. But surely, if they've come here to work, they should have a job organised, and with sufficient pay not to require benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 ....and if they are working at all they are automatically entitled to all the low income benefits such as Housing Benefit, Income Support, free prescriptions, free school meals and all the rest of it - as well as child benefit for children back home who may or may not even exist! A couple of hours a week flogging the Big Issue counts as far as the benefits system is concerned as employed via self employment, and opens the door to all of the above. Add in a black economy cash in hand job or a successful theiving career and the streets of the UK really must seem paved with gold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Report out that says EU immigrants pay more into our tax system than they take out, I find it odd that Obs has chosen not to keep us informed on this. As it is his favourite subject, then again may be not. As he doesn't want you to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 As a taxpayer of this country I certainly pay more into the coffers than I take out (this must be obvious even to the least numerical amongst us?) so statistically what Lt Kije says is probably correct. It doesn't make it right, however, that people can come into this country, not make any contribution, and be awarded benefits taken from the rest of us who do. By all means protect the underprivileged amongst the indigenous population as has historically been the case, but people from other parts of the world coming here simply to sponge off the workers of this country? The line has to be drawn somewhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Kije, Surely you don't really believe that luvvie EU propaganda? In order to pay tax you have to earn enough; the majority of immigrants will be earning a minimum wage (if that), thus will not be paying tax, but will be receiving tax credits, family allowance and other benefits; plus their families will contribute to our overcrowded schools, hospitals, GPs surgeries, housing and roads. Other posters don't have to believe me, it's on the TV news nearly every night nowadays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Other posters don't have to believe me. That has been obvious for ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 ho ho ho ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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