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Beats me Ann

I hope nobody gets hurt either and the residents,workers and shoppers around there must be on pins all the time.  Surely if these travelers are are threatening people and everything else that is reported then they should be arrested.  We'd all be arrested on the spot if we did that sort of thing.  Different rules for different people and that is WRONG !!

Saying that it would probably really kick off if one of them was arrested and locked up for the night. 

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The police and the council would rather pander to these criminals and turn a blind eye to their dealings rather than get involved.... sad but true.... they just hope they will up sticks and clear off before too many people get robbed and so affecting their crime statistics

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Ann Raymond, on 11 Jul 2014 - 14:46, said:snapback.png

Oh dear.  I hope no-one gets hurt.

 

Evil Sid, on 11 Jul 2014 - 17:35, said:snapback.png

And she means that most sincerly folks.

 

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Sorry just me taking the statement the wrong way as usual and making a reference to Hughie Greens catch phrase.

 

Normally when I see a statement that begins "Oh dear" I tend to think that the person making it is being a bit tongue in cheek about the statement made.

If offense has been caused then I apologise.

if it just confusion that has been caused then that is standard fare for any polictically minded person. (or me on any day that has a Y in it)

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Sorry just me taking the statement the wrong way as usual and making a reference to Hughie Greens catch phrase.

 

Normally when I see a statement that begins "Oh dear" I tend to think that the person making it is being a bit tongue in cheek about the statement made.

If offense has been caused then I apologise.

if it just confusi

 

No offence at all Sid.  I can see now - unfortunately I'm old enough to remember Hughie Green too!  I have witnessed altercations on travellers sites with the police and people on both sides can get hurt. 

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They have been moved on now.  I was at the tail end of their convoy earlier.

 

It must have cost a fortune in resources.  Lots of blue light police cars, plus a helicopter overhead.

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A copper who lives near me reckons there were about 20 police vehicles in attendance today.... maybe they should send the bill to the "travellers"!

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Someone reported seeing vans hitched to caravans going up the M6.  

 

They would have to be on the southbound side because they turned left at the end of Woolston Grange Avenue.  

 

The police blocked off Manchester Road, to give them a clear run.

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Any idea if they the same ones who were on Woolston Grange (re the police alert I posted on Friday) or a completely new lot Shiela ? :(

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Oh heck I hope they aren't the same troublesome ones. 

They should change the rules so that once they have been officially moved on from a town or village they can be moved on immediately and without the need for court orders (or whatever they are) if they ever return. 

Saying that they probably all change their cars a lot so no point in checking car reg...... the police etc should spray smart water on their caravans or their kids when they aren't looking so they could be identified that way  :lol:  

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You would think that someone would have set up a 'traveller finder' site similar to 'planefinder' and 'shipfinder'.

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The police and other authorities could end this farce in a single day if they wanted to.

 

Full roadworthiness, insurance, road tax, MOT, driver licencing and ownership registration checks on all vehicles - including caravans - on a squat site. Impound and then sell or crush all vehicles which are or have been observed to be on the road illegally.

 

Full safety checks and operator training documentation checks on all plant and equipment found on site.

 

Full tax and benefit audits on all adults found to be on site.

 

School attendence checks on all children on site.

 

Use the sale proceeds and fines to defray past policing and clean up costs.

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All that would probably be against their human rights though Inky if the police had no other reason to check their details apart from the fact they are 'travellers'

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Maybe they're on their way back from the celebrations, I've just heard they're now on Peel Hall Park.

Apparently there was a fire there a few hours ago I wonder if it's related.  Could just be that someone has thrown a cigarette down or something though as grass is very dry everywhere at the moment. 

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Inky writes......"The police and other authorities could end this farce in a single day if they wanted to".

I think it would take longer than a day but the police and other authorities could certainly end the "farce"  which repeats year on year and should have done so many years since.

As for the travellers being clued up on human rights and knowing nothing of planning law (Wolfie's  post)  I think that traveller's, the police and other authorities are all equally clued up on all of the relevant issues.

The only people who seem to be not clued up are the general public!

The reason the travellers are going onto public land is because they know that in this area the 'authorities' have not made the required provision of a travellers site.

Thus, they have a counter argument to allegations of trespass (on public land).

However, what they do not have is the right to trespass on private land as landowners also have 'human rights' - the relevant right in this case being 'the right to peaceful enjoyment of their own property' which over rides any human rights the travellers have as one cannot enforce a human right if in doing so it denies another of their human rights.

I've personally found that once the travellers realise that the land they are occupying is privately owned and the landowner is fully aware of his rights they move on pretty sharply.  However, I have also found that the police rather than informing the landowner of his rights will quote the 'human rights' of the travellers. Are the police officers not well enough informed on human right law or is it just less hassle? Perhaps the police realising that the travellers will only leave the area when they are good and ready think it's pointless to just shuffle them to multiple sites?  The problem here though is for the landowner who has to pay the clean up costs out of his own pocket - and specialist clean up companies are not cheap.

Perhaps if the landowners started claiming clean up  costs off the council they might pull their fingers out and allocate a specific travellers site, which in the long run would be cheaper and less hassle.

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Thought they had been allocated land?  They did occupy a site near the Walton Arms for a while, but were eventually moved off due to a planning judgment. Some individuals have bought pockets of land and set up permanent residence.  But isn't the point of their mobility to avoid all the costs incurred by the rest of us, EG  Taxes etc?  Just another of the joys of a diverse society !

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The site near the Walton Arms is still there Obs and I'm not sure why you think they were eventually moved off but they most certainly never have been.  They have been there for many years now (about 20 years now I think from memory) but to be fair to them they have never caused any trouble and are usually friendly and polite whenever we see them in the local shop. 

They are nothing like all the more objectionable sorts that often descend on Warrington.

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