francine Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 So Gerry Adams has been arrested, will justice be done? They need to keep him locked up for life but some how I can not see it. Grrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I have obviously missed the trial, conviction and sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I have obviously missed the trial, conviction and sentence? would it really be necessary in this case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Possibly not but it is what usually happen in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Not sticking up for him, but in British justice you remain innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, so at the moment he is innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Possibly not but it is what usually happen in this country. That's not the sort of justice he was handing out as head of the IRA when he was prepared to murder anyone who opposed (and many, many who didn't but just got unlucky and were standing in the wrong place) his bloody attempts at taking Northern Ireland out of this country. He didn't want to be subject to British justice then, he shouldn't be protected by it now. And as a self proclaimed "military commander", he should be on trial in a military court and facing the death penalty for crimes contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 That's not the sort of justice he was handing out as head of the IRA when he was prepared to murder anyone who opposed (and many, many who didn't but just got unlucky and were standing in the wrong place) his bloody attempts at taking Northern Ireland out of this country. He didn't want to be subject to British justice then, he shouldn't be protected by it now. And as a self proclaimed "military commander", he should be on trial in a military court and facing the death penalty for crimes contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Convention. As a citizen of the UK, he has the right to a trial, the justice you are talking about is lynch mob justice, our Country is better than that inky. I can't believe how many people have forgotten that you are innocent until proven guilty in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Not sticking up for him, but in British justice you remain innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, so at the moment he is innocent. not in every case of course.... "A Somalian refugee who breached the conditions of a Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measure (TPim) he was subject to has been jailed for 15 months. TPim orders impose restrictions on people who are believed to represent a threat to the public, but who cannot be jailed or deported." No trial and no conviction in a court of law.... he was thought to be a threat and had restrictions put on him. No evidence was presented to a court to impose the restrictions and he has since been jailed for breaching restrictions which were placed on him without trial or jury... Gerry Adams could have had the same as could McGuiness.... however, our glorious leaders instead decided to pander to the terrorists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 If you keep picking the scab from an old wound, it will continue to bleed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 If you keep picking the scab from an old wound, it will continue to bleed. I agree, Perhaps what they did in South Africa might help, I can understand that these people need answers especially the relatives of the disappeared on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill Cliffe walker Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I have obviously missed the trial, conviction and sentence? It appears from the description, this morning on BBC News, of the word 'execution' - by a relative of one of the IRA victims whose body has yet to be found, that these victims also missed the trial, conviction and sentence - but not the ending of their lives. If you keep picking the scab from an old wound, it will continue to bleed. The healing process first needs the eradication of the infection. The families of the IRA victims are entitled to know of the circumstances of the deaths of their loved ones - and their resting places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 The way that Mrs McConville was dragged out of her house by a dozen masked and armed gunmen with her children clinging on to her was an image I pictured in my mind..... totally barbaric and horrific. Cowardly and inhumane. She was then taken to a remote beach and shot in the back of the head. This came the day after she was dragged out of a bingo hall and battered and beaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francine Posted May 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Well put Bazj...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 As a citizen of the UK, he has the right to a trial, the justice you are talking about is lynch mob justice, our Country is better than that inky. I can't believe how many people have forgotten that you are innocent until proven guilty in the UK. As a miliary combatant - which is what he himself claims to have been - then he is subject to the provisions of the Geneva Convention relating to Non-International Armed Conflicts. His only "right" is to a closed doors trial by military court followed (hopefully) by a long dance at the end of a short rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Since when have "terrorists" been subject to "the Geneva Convention"; on the face of it, they are common criminals. Now the decision you have to make is: do we continue for another 30 years with death and violence, and another generation of combatants; in a determined effort to ensure every "criminal" is brought to justice OR in the interests of peace (some may call it surrender), you conclude a "peace deal" (the Good Friday Agreement), and seek a return to normality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 . His only "right" is to a closed doors trial by military court followed (hopefully) by a long dance at the end of a short rope. Guaranteed to start another round of bloodshed & bombings. Is it worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 The ONLY reason that the IRA entered into the Good Friday Agreement is because they realised that their actions in Warrington, Enniskillen, Omagh, and many other places had earned them the disgust of the majority of their previous supporters. The money from Noraid in the US had more or less dried up, their weapons supplies from Soviet backed regimes had become much harder to acquire in the years after the Berlin wall fell, and the goverment of the Republic of Ireland wanted nothing more to do with them. They were well on the way to being completely defeated. But rather than eliminate the IRA once and for all, Blair caved in and legitimised them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 So, on the basis that we "nearly" won, we can kick it all off again, and hope we keep going this time (30 - 60 years) until we do win, or the Catholics breed enough to vote in a referendum to join with Eire . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Agree with Obs, and Noraid money had not dried up sadly. The war in Ireland was not winnable, if it was the UK would have won it years ago, and as Obs says it could have dragged in for another 30+ years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 In May 1981, the U.S. Department of Justice won a court case forcing Noraid to register the Provisional Irish Republican Army as its "foreign principal", under the Foreign Agents Registration Act 1938. In his decision, US District Court Judge Charles S. Haight Jr. wrote: "The uncontroverted evidence is that [Noraid] is an agent of the IRA, providing money and services for other than relief purposes. Noraid started up again in 1984 having complied with this ruling, but now only raises a fraction of the money it used to. It's own financial filings show that the money they've raised has dropped off a cliff since the yanks have had their own taste of domestic terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 They just move the money in different ways inky, some goes legitimately most did not, the war would have gone on for years, they also had other sources of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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