Bazj Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 And Kije, did you know that the EU banned the Apple Mac Pro until Apple did a design modification because it didn't meet EU laws? Surely that should swing you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 As pointed out Baz similar legislation is coming in all over most of the developed world, so the whole world is meddling, you have just decided to unilaterally blame the EU for it, like it or not we would have had to adopt similar legislation even if we were not in the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 As pointed out Baz similar legislation is coming in all over most of the developed world, so the whole world is meddling, you have just decided to unilaterally blame the EU for it, like it or not we would have had to adopt similar legislation even if we were not in the EU Legislation may well have to come in, but it should be legislation brought in by our own democratically elected government; not by some unelected corrupt nobodies in Brussels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Again your wrong as you do vote for MEPs, and they vote on the legislation, similar to over here, all new legislation has to pass though the European Parliament, again similar to here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I think that is what the vote in May is supposed to be about, who would best represent our interests in Brussells, its not an in out referendum nor is it a ban immigration poll either. As we are in the EU it would be stupid not to try to get out as much as we can and put honest, hard working Britons to work in there, although that will probably not happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 "Get out as much as we can"? We're outvoted, or haven't you noticed? That's why the Tory policy of "renegotiation" is a non-starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Well not turning up for meetings for 3 years whole paying yourself a salary to do so is hardly representing the Countries interests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Well not turning up for meetings for 3 years whole paying yourself a salary to do so is hardly representing the Countries interests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Strange, I saw a news item of Nigel ripping into the faceless eurocrats in the main chamber, fairly recently. As for a single State, changing EU policies, they can't even do this when they're given a referendum; "NO" gets ignored and they have to keep voting till they come up with the right answer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-branded-laziest-political-party-1936913 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/12/05/best-video-ever-nigel-farage-gets-ridiculed-in-eu-parliament/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 SO? No probs with Nige and Co; they're not there to "make it work", but hopefully bring it down; so participation in "committees" is irrelevant, as all committee recommendations are voted on by the main parliament at the push of a button. So, from a Euro-sceptic perspective they're doing a good job ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Taking lots of our money for doing nothing is such a breath of fresh air, I see you are quick to defend your hero again despite the fact he is being proven to be worse than most mps are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Rather prone to exaggeration again; "doing nothing"? Think they attend and vote, in the main hall; when all the various cttee reports are voted on - so not quite nothing - try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 "Get out as much as we can"? We're outvoted, or haven't you noticed? That's why the Tory policy of "renegotiation" is a non-starter. Outvoted by who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Outvoted by the other 26 countries, any of whom have a veto at the Council of Ministers; thus Camoron's idea of changing minds, when the interests of the majority are of net recipients of EU funding, is a forlorn hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Let me spell it out for you Observer as you seem to be struggling. Farage was on the fisheries committee and was paid for being so. He turned up for 1 of the 42 meetings to formulate fishery policy which Im am sure affects Britain. Nuttall attended 2 out of 56 meetings of the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety Committee which are also rather important to our country. Coleman was at one of 52 gatherings of the Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee. Again important to this countr Apparently they were always available for a photo call though, stood outside a boozer, fag in mouth pretending to be men of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 As for turning up to vote as their way of justifying their existance and millions of our hard earned quids, that party has the lowest turnout for votes figures, by a mile, in the whole of the EU. Bone idle, moneygrubbing chancers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Wasn't "struggling" at all, I specifically assumed that they wouldn't be attending "committees", which formulate the policy reports - SO WHAT? The reports then go to the main parliament for voting on - that's where the voting is done. As said, they're not there to "make it work", but hopefully to wreck it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Outvoted by the other 26 countries, any of whom have a veto at the Council of Ministers; thus Camoron's idea of changing minds, when the interests of the majority are of net recipients of EU funding, is a forlorn hope. Uk,France and Germany could stop it Obs, if his arguments are good then you can win, that's democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Kije, his arguments are good for the ones who are paying in. but when the vast majority of the EU member states come to the party with their begging bowls outstretched, there is no hope of changing anything; either by renegotiation or even from within.... "Turkeys don't vote for Christmas" as the old saying goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Think the Farage turkey is doing just that Baz, if we come out of the EU for good or bad him and his party become extinct as they lose all funding and reason to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 So? Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Think the Farage turkey is doing just that Baz, if we come out of the EU for good or bad him and his party become extinct as they lose all funding and reason to be. that may be so, but Farage et al can go back to their day jobs in some form or other and still earn money, or they could join other parties or form a new one (maybe to get us back in again who knows ), Romania, Bulgaria and the other beggars have no where else to turn; they need the EU and they need our contributions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 But the Farage balloon ( he's full of hot air) won't ever have enough power to get us out of the EU that's down to proper parties I'm afraid. I would welcome a proper debate and perhaps a referendum on the EU as we may then get proper factual information on which to base our decisions not emotive or jingoistic kneejerks and policies designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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