Lt Kije Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Nelson Mandela freedom Fighter RIP 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Just another dead terrorist.... no great loss 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Just shows how far out of step many of your views are, with the real World !!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 What Baz said. Stand by for 2 weeks of mourning from the BBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist!. It all depends where your loyalties rest!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Was going to say, he had a good innings; then remembered 27 years of that were spent on Robin Island. Pity his original ambitions appear to have been sold out by the ANC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 A friend of mine just posted this up on Facebook.... just about sums things up really.... "The British media ought to be ashamed of itself tonight.I appreciate that the death of Mandela is huge story, but please let's get this in perspective. He was a very elderly man, one who has been poor health for years. His death is very sad but not at all unexpected,I'm quite appalled therefore that the UK news channels have decided to provide us with wall to wall coverage of this story and totally ignore the storms battering out Coast right now. People are being evacuate...d from their homes, it's the worst storm for sixty odd years and there is likely to be a great deal of devastation a few weeks before Christmas. Many people will be watching for updates, either for themselves or family.I've had to switch the news channels off. It's made me really angry for some strange reason, by all means report on Mandela's death but god don't ignore what's happening here right now." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 That's nice, dear. Anyway, RIP Mandela, "you left the world a better place than you found it". Newspapers from around the world: http://www.theguardian.com/media/gallery/2013/dec/06/newspapers-national-newspapers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Have to agree Baz; BBC 24hr NEWS had nothing else on all night; definitely OTT. Still, the guy is well on the way to sainthood now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Anyway, RIP Mandela, "you left the world a better place than you found it". Really? Do you really believe that he has left even SA in a better condition than it was when he was released from prison? You obviously live in a different world to most of us then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 You, Baz and obs isn't really "most of us" though, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think you will find you would be a minority even in SA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 The native black people in South Africa have a hell of a long way to go before they experience equality with the white immigrants that settled in the country, poverty amongst the black population is rife, the coloured immigrants fare slightly better, the whites have a pretty good if somewhat nervous standard of living. Mr Mandela was a wonderful old gentleman who fought hard and suffered for his fellow countrymen, and managed a reasonable level of peace in the country but I don't believe that he ever acheived his final goal in life. May he rest in peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Yes ,RIP Nelson Mandela ,but this excessive coverage really is ridiculous & doesn't need to be on every news channel. It is getting to the stage of being sycophantic . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Agreed, Davy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I think your opinion of him is most definitely wrong and most definetly in the minority Asp, in and out of South Africa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 It's the same every time someone of note dies; the media then trawl around all the lesser mortals, who are queuing up to outdo each other with their level of praise. The old man is dead; the best way to honour him would be for the ANC to start delivering the fairness and equality he aspired to; rather than their leadership elevating themselves into a new elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Anyway, RIP Mandela, "you left the world a better place than you found it". Agreed fugs, also agreed that the news coverage was excessive, but that's normal these days as in Di's death, Thatcher's death etc etc. Not surprised at Baz's comments after the Police. Teachers, Nurses, Gypsy's, Europeans, Socialists, Lt Kije, Miners, Cyclists, Councillors, Argentinians etc etc the only person he has ever had a good word for is Maggie Thatcher. Not surprised about Asp's comments because he usually agrees with what Baz says anyway. Now I'm running for cover. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lt Kije Posted December 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Agreed fugs, also agreed that the news coverage was excessive, but that's normal these days as in Di's death, Thatcher's death etc etc. Not surprised at Baz's comments after the Police. Teachers, Nurses, Gypsy's, Europeans, Socialists, Lt Kije, Miners, Cyclists, Councillors, Argentinians etc etc the only person he has ever had a good word for is Maggie Thatcher. Not surprised about Asp's comments because he usually agrees with what Baz says anyway. Now I'm running for cover. Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Heh, they don't like these uppities rammed down their throats and stuff. Anyways... ...but I don't believe that he ever acheived his final goal in life. So, what do you reckon that was, algy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Robbo.... I see things as I find them and you are entitled to your views too.... I have never really noticed what you have posted in the past. Mandela was by definition at some point, a terrorist. as for the rest of your observations, I would still stand by my previous comments on all of them (except I haven't dissed the nurses) but the rest of the list are only in it for themselves.... If you like Gypsies, Argentinians and Councillors; I really do worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Mandela was by definition at some point, a terrorist. Genuine question 'cos I don't know the answer, how many deaths did he carry some kind of responsibility for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Mandela was by definition at some point, a terrorist. Genuine question 'cos I don't know the answer, how many deaths did he carry some kind of responsibility for? Fugs.... everyone sees Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness as terrorists.... because that is what they were/are. They were supposedly on the "political Wing" of the IRA and as far as I know, neither was convicted of being directly responsible for the murder of innocents although many do hold them responsible because of their positions within the organisation. They are seen as being responsible for atrocities not only in the UK, but right here in Warrington; resulting in the deaths of many innocent men, women and children "Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights: -Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983 -Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985 -Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988 -Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986 -Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead -Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987 -Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988 Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty International refused to take his case stating “The movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.” That is why I see him as a terrorist..... Mandela may well have gone on to more peaceful ways just like Adams and McGuiness have Mandela does have the terrorist past which in my eyes; still labels him with the "terrorist" banner.... Why would Mandela be any different to Adams and McGuiness? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Heh, they don't like these uppities rammed down their throats and stuff. Anyways... ...but I don't believe that he ever acheived his final goal in life. So, what do you reckon that was, algy? The removal of Apartheid and total integration of all of the black and white population in South Africa enabling them to live in peace and harmony, which in my opinion has not come to fruition, my daughter and son-in-law have just returned from Cape Town where they were advised not to venture out on to the streets after 6pm for their own safety and under no circumstances drive through any of the townships at any time of the day where incidentally these very fortunate liberated black people live in houses the size of a garden shed only not as substantial, who now thanks to the ANC and Mr Mandela can now ride on buses and sit next to their white brothers, the only problem being is that they cannot afford the bus fare so most have never been able to afford that wonderful cultural experience. So Mr Fugs what do you think Nelson Mandela has achieved, who by the way I honestly do believe was a genuine, honest and intelligent man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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