Lt Kije Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Nissan today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486 The UK largest car manufacturer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Nissan today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486 The UK largest car manufacturer. Bit of a scaremongering story?? "This is not the first time that Mr Ghosn has linked Nissan's UK investment to the country's role within the EU. In October 2002, he told the BBC News website that the Sunderland plant's future would depend on whether the UK adopted the euro. However, the UK has continued to use the pound and Nissan is still making cars in Sunderland" Kije, if the EU was a trading block; I would be the first to shout out in appreciation; countries helping each other to better all of our economies..... however, the common market our parents were conned into voting for is now just a distant dream. The master plan of the 70's politicians is now coming to pass. Britain traditionally does not like to be ruled by others.... however we are now almost entirely ruled by massively overpaid and unelected people in Brussels. That is not right. What gives those people the democratic right to dictate our laws? We have never voted for any of them. The French, Danes, Belgians and the Irish all gave their true feelings at the ballot box and were forced into capitulating.... The EU and our government are scared because of that; they know that if the British people vote to come out; we will not stand by and allow them to keep us in with meaningless promises... Get the EU disbanded and get us back to a trading partnership and everyone will be happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Unfortunately Baz, this is the kind of scare tactics that the pro-EU lobby will deploy in any referendum - question is, will the voters fall for it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 will they fall for the anti EU scare tactics instead? but I suppose its only a scare tactic if it doesn't match your own agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Why is it a scare story, did the EU pay for the head of Nissan to say it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Do Nissan have factories over here to escape EU trade tariffs? Thought you wanted global "free trade" Kije?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Your dipping the question Obs, you want jobs, Nissan MD has said he would re consider being over here if we left the EU, it is our biggest car manufacturer, how many jobs would you give up to get your wish Obs, or how many jobs would it take to make you change your mind, most foreign companies came here to gain access to the single market. I look forward to your answer with great intrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Do you believe in tariffs or free trade, simple question? As for Nissan, if they start threatening a pull out, we could just nationalise it - without compensation ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Your dipping the question Obs, you want jobs, Nissan MD has said he would re consider being over here if we left the EU, it is our biggest car manufacturer, how many jobs would you give up to get your wish Obs, or how many jobs would it take to make you change your mind, most foreign companies came here to gain access to the single market. I look forward to your answer with great intrest The MD of Nissan has a track record.... "In October 2002, he told the BBC News website that the Sunderland plant's future would depend on whether the UK adopted the euro" we ain't in it and Nissan are still here What are the chances of a company that size picking up their toys and moving just because we aren't in the EU? The costs would be astronomical and could well be as much as any additional tariffs they incur. Plus they may choose a country that may themselves decide to pull out of the EU once Britain leaves. Companies that size don't take such huge gambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I don't think Nissan will shut Baz, but they will stop building new models here and investment, it would be a slow death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I think he is actually starting a softening up process ready for the day when Nissan moves to the Eastern European car factories that are already being built in readiness. When the time is right for them, Nissan will move out regardless of whether we are in the EU or not, using the excuse of "uncertainty" and pointing to the warnings they have already given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 No he came over to see the new investment in the factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Think you have a point there Asp; they'd certainly get a cheaper labour force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 He has already indicated that Nissan is willing to drop the UK like a hot brick, all he needs is an excuse - real or imagined. The work forces in the Balkans are certainly cheaper and I believe car manufacturing is mainly computerised these days anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Wrong, you are forgetting why he came, it was to see the new investment he has just put into the factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 In which case, they won't be moving anywhere - whether we're in or out of the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 But no new investment and the factory is run down, and any new Nissan models will be made else where in the single market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Make up your mind Lt Kije, either they are committed to staying in the UK whatever, or they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 At the moment they are committed to staying, but if we leave the EU, who knows. Its a fact that he came here to see the new investment he put into the plant, and not scare tactics that Obs tried and failed to say. Obs How many UK people to loose there jobs for you to change your mind and say better in the EU???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Well, if Nissan move to Poland or elsewhere in E/Europe, that should leave plenty of jobs vacant here. eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not what I asked Obs, have you got an answer??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Lt Kije, do you think that Nissan would ONLY move out of the UK if the UK left the EU? Even if the opportunity was there to make their cars more profitably in, for example, Romania or Bulgaria? If you think that is the case then I can only again wonder at your gullibility. Nissan is not in the business of making cars for the sake of it, they are in it for the profits to be had, the same as any other business. Whether or not the UK is in the EU is just a red herring. Outside the EU the UK can still be part of the single market, the two AREN'T mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 But you have to pay to be in that single market, with no say, just take alook at how much Norway pay in, they are one of the EU big guests contributors by population, you or Baz if you were honest would not like that option either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 You have got your information all the wrong way round. Because most EU regulations originate at International Organisations, and because the UK doesn't have a seat at the table on any of these Organisations (being but a small cog in the EU machine) while Norway does, Norway has more say in the regulations that the EU give to us than we do. As for the contributions Norway makes, these aren't membership fees but rather their contributions to joint EU/Norwegian projects as negotiated between the EU and the sovereign state of Norway. The UK, it seems, is only able to negotiate ever increasing contributions. As for big business being pro EU, does it not occur to you that this is precisely because of the ever increasing regulation of business the EU imposes? Big businesses love more regulation because they can absorb the costs involved more easily than any smaller competitors and are thus able to squeeze them out of business. But this probably doesn't fit in with your soft focus view of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 No you have your up information wrong, Norway has to put up or shut up, it pays a great deal for very little say, and a hell of a lot less say than Countries that are members of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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