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We think the NHS is in overload mode now just wait until this 'boozy' generation reach middle age the hospitals will be full of alcohol related sickness patients on dialysis awaiting liver transplants etc, the only good aspect is that most of them wont reach pension age thus saving the country paying retirement pensions.

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I walk into Stockton Heath most weekends and often see large gangs of drunken youths staggering around and young girls lying at the roadside too drunk to walk.Most kids who drink get blitzed at a mates house before they even go out these days - educating young people in drinking on moderation should be the main focus and this needs to be done int he family home and in schools and colleges.

We all know it is going on, we all know it is a problem - there is no need to focus the spotlight on one town centre and making out that is the problem.

 

I recall being told how dangerous smoking was at junior school, came home told my parents I will never smoke. The subject was brought up again when I was in high school, I was already smoking and nothing they said put me off.

 

 I doubt any education will put many people off either they already know it is supposed to be bad for you, many don't care others will decide it is not.

 

It is not just the young who do it. though and many parents think it is part of growing up to be getting drunk.

 

Although I do not understand why people need to get drunk and what is the fun in doing so,

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The real answers to the problem are simple. Stop pubs and clubs opening after, say, midnight.  Stop supermarkets selling cheap booze. As others have said, the drink problem has always existed but it is definitely worse now - and it never used to involve girls. Is this was equality is all about?

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 Is this was equality is all about?

Well, yes - what's the alternative? Ban women from pubs? Only allow us out with a male relative to escort us? I really can't see why women getting drunk is any more shocking than men getting drunk. I started going to pubs in 1988 and believe me there were plenty of us at it and it wasn't exactly a new phenomena then.

 

I'm with you on the supermarkets though, the cheap booze is killing off pub culture and encouraging the 'get hammered before you go out' way of thinking. 

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Wolfies original post quoted a report by the 'Mail On Line'. the Daily Mail is printed in Manchester. Glasgow and London, cities that have far higher rates of alcohol abuse than 'little old Warrington', why doesn't this rubbish newspaper report on the crap conditions on the own streets.

 

 'Manchester Evening news' May 2012.

 

Price of tackling binge drinking in Greater Manchester put at £1.2 billion,Alcohol-related problems are costing every person in Greater Manchester an average £450-a-year, according to startling figures which paint a picture of our dangerous relationship with booze.

 

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Indicator Name: 
Binge Drinking
Date Published: 
Aug-13

The number of incidents where the ambulance service have attended someone suffering from an alcohol related illness. Focussing on patients under 40 allows broad trends in Binge Drinking to be identified. Older age groups may be more likely to be attended by the ambulance service for longer term alcohol related health issues.

Key point: The highest number of binge drinkers seen by the London Ambulance Service since December 2009 (when the data was first collected) was 3,036 in August 2012. The number of cases in the most recent quarter (Apr-Jun) was 11% higher than the same quarter last year.

 

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The Demon drink has been part of our culture (if culture is the right word!), throughout our history; our idea of having a "good time" is to get completely legless, especially when young. Unfortunately, it has consequences in the public space, for the safety of drunks themselves, but also for those around them; it also creates on costs to us all as a society. Now, whilst we're not going to end this romance with the bottle, we can mitigate it's effects - starting with simple measures such as tax-increases on booze (as with fags); closing times for clubs, and drunk tanks for the idiots. Eventually, when they wake up to a bill, as well as a hangover - the message will gradually get through.

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Decreasing licensed premisses opening hours especially in the evening time would help to reduce acohol consumption and empty the town centres in the early hours of the morning, increasing the price of spirits would also reduce inebriation, however in my opinion increasing the price of ordinary beers (2% to 3%) would not help in any way, perhaps placing a maximum strength of 4% on lagers and ciders may have a positive effect to reduce drunkenness.

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Decreasing licensed premisses opening hours especially in the evening time would help to reduce acohol consumption and empty the town centres in the early hours of the morning, increasing the price of spirits would also reduce inebriation, however in my opinion increasing the price of ordinary beers (2% to 3%) would not help in any way, perhaps placing a maximum strength of 4% on lagers and ciders may have a positive effect to reduce drunkenness.

 

No no, I do not want to be ordered or pushed into behaving by some nanny state, I want the right to go out at 3 am and buy a drink (even though I have no wish to) as I can in most civilized countries

 

 

UK seems to have a particular problem with alcohol and violence which seems not to happen in other countries with a drinking culture, Germany for example.

 

 

If adults can not behave after a drink they need to end up in drunk tanks and be charged for the pleasure as happens abroad.

 

 

Taxing will only increase smuggling and people bringing in alcohol from abroad as happens with tobacco products

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Erm!! I think you had better read this Mz Coffee:-

 

Germany moves to curb binge-drinking

 
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A rise in the number of children and young people ending up in hospital as a result of excess alcohol is causing concern in Germany. In 2012, 26,500 young people aged between 10 and 20 years were admitted to hospital because of binge drinking. This compares with 13,000 in 2002.
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Ireland, Finland and England Have Europe's Biggest Binge-Drinking Problems
More than one-third of Irish residents are binge drinkers, the highest rate in the European Union, according to a new study.

The BBC reported March 14 that the new Eurobarometer study found that Finland (27 percent) had the second-highest rate of binge drinking — defined as consuming five or more alcoholic drinks at a sitting — followed by Great Britain (24 percent) and Denmark (23 percent).

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France has seen a sharp rise in the number of people being hospitalised for alcohol-related conditions. 'Le binge-drinking' takes hold of France as alcohol-related hospital admissions rise by 30% Around 400,000 people out of a population of 65 million are admitted to French hospitals every year for conditions like comas, hepatitis and liver cirrhosis, a rise of 30 per cent compared with three years ago.  

In addition, short term hospital admissions for binge drinking symptoms are up by a staggering 80per cent.

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------------------and so on!!!

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And your point is Algy?

 

If people wish to binge drink that is their problem, their life, but you can walk down a street in Finland or Denmark or Germany and you do not get people passed out on the street, urinating, being sick, vandalizing, fighting like you do in the UK

 

Maybe it is a cause for concern for the governments because it effects people health but so is poor diets are you going suggest McDonalds and chip shops should be taxed and shut, I once read an article that suggested restaurants should be banned from selling desserts. Lack of exercise is also a problem too in our modern society maybe councils should force people to leave their cars at home and start walking and cycling instead

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And your point is Algy?

 

If people wish to binge drink that is their problem, their life, but you can walk down a street in Finland or Denmark or Germany and you do not get people passed out on the street, urinating, being sick, vandalizing, fighting like you do in the UK

 

Maybe it is a cause for concern for the governments because it effects people health but so is poor diets are you going suggest McDonalds and chip shops should be taxed and shut, I once read an article that suggested restaurants should be banned from selling desserts. Lack of exercise is also a problem too in our modern society maybe councils should force people to leave their cars at home and start walking and cycling instead

My point is that you stated that the "UK seems to have a particular problem with alcohol and violence which seems not to happen in other countries with a drinking culture, Germany for example." when in fact it is happening in other countries. Regarding McDonalds, I would close every one of their shops down as in my opinion they are neither value for money nor good quality food, fish and chip shops I do not have a problem with in fact I enjoy the occasional fish & chip meal.

Please don't try to tell me that  "people in Finland don't pass out on the street, urinating, being sick, vandalizing, fighting like you do in the UK", having worked and been their many times I can assure you that they do!, alcoholism is a big problem in Finland.

As for your statement regarding "If people wish to binge drink that is their problem, their life" To a point yes it is their problem however it is also a problem for the rest of the people in the UK as they are contributing millions of pounds every year to treat them for their abuse of alcohol and also they are wasting the valuable time of hospitals, emergency services and the police force who are already stretched to breaking point, just my opinion, Coffee, and I accept that you are entitled to yours!. :wink:

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Just a section from the licensing act 2003. makes for interesting reading.

 

 

Drunkenness and disorderly conduct
140Allowing disorderly conduct on licensed premises etc.

(1)A person to whom subsection (2) applies commits an offence if he knowingly allows disorderly conduct on relevant premises.

(2)This subsection applies—

(a)to any person who works at the premises in a capacity, whether paid or unpaid, which authorises him to prevent the conduct,

(b)in the case of licensed premises, to—

(i)the holder of a premises licence in respect of the premises, and

(ii)the designated premises supervisor (if any) under such a licence,

©in the case of premises in respect of which a club premises certificate has effect, to any member or officer of the club which holds the certificate who at the time the conduct takes place is present on the premises in a capacity which enables him to prevent it, and

(d)in the case of premises which may be used for a permitted temporary activity by virtue of Part 5, to the premises user in relation to the temporary event notice in question.

(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
141Sale of alcohol to a person who is drunk

(1)A person to whom subsection (2) applies commits an offence if, on relevant premises, he knowingly—

(a)sells or attempts to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk, or

(b)allows alcohol to be sold to such a person.

(2)This subsection applies—

(a)to any person who works at the premises in a capacity, whether paid or unpaid, which gives him authority to sell the alcohol concerned,

(b)in the case of licensed premises, to—

(i)the holder of a premises licence in respect of the premises, and

(ii)the designated premises supervisor (if any) under such a licence,

©in the case of premises in respect of which a club premises certificate has effect, to any member or officer of the club which holds the certificate who at the time the sale (or attempted sale) takes place is present on the premises in a capacity which enables him to prevent it, and

(d)in the case of premises which may be used for a permitted temporary activity by virtue of Part 5, to the premises user in relation to the temporary event notice in question.

(3)This section applies in relation to the supply of alcohol by or on behalf of a club to or to the order of a member of the club as it applies in relation to the sale of alcohol.

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
142Obtaining alcohol for a person who is drunk

(1)A person commits an offence if, on relevant premises, he knowingly obtains or attempts to obtain alcohol for consumption on those premises by a person who is drunk.

(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
143Failure to leave licensed premises etc.

(1)A person who is drunk or disorderly commits an offence if, without reasonable excuse—

(a)he fails to leave relevant premises when requested to do so by a constable or by a person to whom subsection (2) applies, or

(b)he enters or attempts to enter relevant premises after a constable or a person to whom subsection (2) applies has requested him not to enter.

(2)This subsection applies—

(a)to any person who works at the premises in a capacity, whether paid or unpaid, which authorises him to make such a request,

(b)in the case of licensed premises, to—

(i)the holder of a premises licence in respect of the premises, or

(ii)the designated premises supervisor (if any) under such a licence,

©in the case of premises in respect of which a club premises certificate has effect, to any member or officer of the club which holds the certificate who is present on the premises in a capacity which enables him to make such a request, and

(d)in the case of premises which may be used for a permitted temporary activity by virtue of Part 5, to the premises user in relation to the temporary event notice in question.

(3)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.

(4)On being requested to do so by a person to whom subsection (2) applies, a constable must—

(a)help to expel from relevant premises a person who is drunk or disorderly;

(b)help to prevent such a person from entering relevant premises.
 

But then there is the argument as to what is defined as "Drunk" a relative term at best. Yes falling down in a befuddled heap is usually a good indicator but at what point can you say that a person is "Drunk" without recourse to a breathalyser test.

 

front page carries two interesting articles, one about the image of the town being in disrepute and a second about allowing a new bar to be opened in stockton heath., Gotta love warrington,

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Not very Libertarian Algy.

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Not very Libertarian Algy.

Asp, people may live their lives as they wish as long as it does not interfere with my or my families standard of living, and I did close my reply with "Coffee, and I accept that you are entitled to yours!". :wink:

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Fair enough Algy, but how does the existence of McDonalds/BK/KFC etc interfere with your standard of living? Some people choose to live on junk food, rightly or wrongly, but it's their choice to do so. The same with smoking and drinking. You may not like smokers or drinkers but it's a free country, and the day that smoking, drinking and eating what you like is banned is the day that we will no longer be free.

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Smokers are "no longer free" to smoke in enclosed public spaces, due to their alleged effect on others;  so either, let's withdraw completely from Nanny State interventions altogether, irrespective of whether they extend lives and reduce NHS costs OR extend the principle to binge drinking too.  After all, their are legal limitations on being drunk already, IE drinking and driving; and I'm sure most folk would agree with that particular State intervention. Meanwhile, it seems Cllr Skittles is in denial about the state of the Town Centre, and is complaining about the Police exposing the reality - so perhaps no co-operative, multi-agency effort to find a solution will be forthcoming.

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I didn't realise clubs were open after 2am!! Shows what a sheltered life I lead (well past my bedtime that :lol: )

 

There are laws in place already to combat drunkeness, so why aren't they being used to effect? Surely the police can take action against establishments that allow drunken behaviour to take place on their premises?

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Fair enough Algy, but how does the existence of McDonalds/BK/KFC etc interfere with your standard of living? Some people choose to live on junk food, rightly or wrongly, but it's their choice to do so. The same with smoking and drinking. You may not like smokers or drinkers but it's a free country, and the day that smoking, drinking and eating what you like is banned is the day that we will no longer be free.

Asp I know someone who worked for McDonalds and their experience resulted in my forming the opinion I have regarding their business, also, with respect I am entitled to my opinion as everyon else on here is.

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As I said Algy, fair enough. But you haven't said how the existence of McDonalds interferes with your standard of living. Having a poor opinion of them really doesn't explain it I'm afraid.

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Asp, have I had yet another 'senior moment', when did I infer that McDonalds were interfereing with my standard of living, I said I would shut their shops down, what I also said was, Quote <"Asp, people may live their lives as they wish as long as it does not interfere with my or my families standard of living, and I did close my reply with "Coffee, and I accept that you are entitled to yours!"> Unquote.

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That's okay Algy, I don't have any particular liking for any of the fast food places myself. It was just the way you came across in a couple of seperate posts and perhaps I misread your meaning.

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That's okay Algy, I don't have any particular liking for any of the fast food places myself. It was just the way you came across in a couple of seperate posts and perhaps I misread your meaning.

No problem Asp, sometimes what I'm thinking does not always become transmitted via the keyboard to what actually appears on the screen. I usually read through a couple of times before I clk 'Post' and even then I very often have to edit. :oops:

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