observer Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 The latest attempt by "Red"!!!!! Ed; for the Labour Party to commit financial suicide by divorcing from the Unions, has a sting in the tail for tax-payers. For where do you think he's going to make up for the loss? The only thing "red" about the Labour Party will be it's accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 To be fair to Millipede and Labour (and you won't hear that from me very often!) They aren't the only ones looking to pick your pockets to ensure their survival. In the real world political parties that couldn't support themselves by fund raising would die a much deserved death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Odd we are not looking at Tory funding, because that's a lot more messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 The question is Kije, do you want, as a tax-payer, to fund any of these Parties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 In honesty Obs, I have not got an opinion either way, I do not like how it's done now, but to be fair on Labour, the trade unions where they get most of their money from are democratic, the trust found managers that finance the Tory party are not. something has to be done. People and organisations are buying influence at the moment. But if its done by the tax payer we will end up financing very small political political parties that otherwise would not of existed, the system we have now is to one to abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Do union members have a say as to which political party the union sends funds? Or does the decision lie with the union leadership? The union I belong to is apolitical by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 That's the problem, it won't fund small Parties cos they'll have a vote threshold to keep it within the big three. Far from increasing the money supply (especially from tax-payers) to political Parties, they should be capping the amount they spend; after all most of the junk mail goes straight in the bin anyway, so a contribution to waste reduction. Enough to give them free TV slots at elections imo. Believe Asp, it's automatic unless the individual opts out. Mind you, we don't have an opt out on what we pay for goods to companies that support the Tories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Kije.... what bloody planet are you on???? Trade Unions democratic???? you are 'avin a giraffe mate! When it comes to Labour funding, a trade union gives its money to Labour.... it doesn't matter if a member wants it to go to Labour; it goes to Labour. That has been the same since eons ago. When I was a sparky on sites, I couldn't work without being a member of the union.....you just couldn't get on site without a union card. In fact, Crosfields and Levers were one of the worst for the closed shop. A percentage of my contributions went to Labour. I would poke my eyes out with a red hot poker before I would vote Labour... so democracy ended at the door with that one. The problem is; no sane person wants any more tax money to be handed over to the thieving political parties and their lying members... but equally there are problems with donations and the expectations and the ulterior motives behind someone giving a million quid to a political party...... there is no easy answer. Maybe what they should do is have an opt in donation tick box on everyone's tax return or benefit book so they can voluntarily donate if they want to. Trouble is, could the parties manage with £3.87 each off the ones who agree to donate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Your very out of date Baz, when it comes to Union funding of Labour, if you join a union you can opt out of paying the Labour Party levy, it's been like that for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Mind you, we don't have an opt out on what we pay for goods to companies that support the Tories! and we don't have an opt out on the fares we pay on trains, buses etc. all of which are generally driven by union members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 and we don't have an opt out on the fares we pay on trains, buses etc. all of which are generally driven by union members What a load of crap, when did unions organise fares on trains???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 What a load of crap, when did unions organise fares on trains???? oh you silly little man.... try and follow the thread; I was responding to Obs nonsensical quip about opting out of paying for goods made by Tory supporting companies with my own little quip.... Maybe I should have put a or a after it or maybe not used such big words so you would understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Baz, please don't try Whit again it does not become you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 At least Trade union donations are legally required to be open and transparent, unlike Tory donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 And low & behold ,the great increase in employment agency work did put a great big hole in Labour party funds. Ironic really that reliance on agencies & exploitation of staff came into prominence during the union funded Labour years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Ironic really that reliance on agencies & exploitation of staff came into prominence during the union funded Labour years. Think you'll find it was a Liberal government with the Labour Bureaux (London) Act 1902 that started it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 But it was in the years of Blair & Brown that agencies started to get a real foothold in the workplace ,eventually providing most of the work force for many companies & many agency staff were non union & as such not paying the political levy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Baz, please don't try Whit again it does not become you. I can't think of anything suitable as a response.... can someone help me out please!!! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 You'll have to wait until the next Bank holiday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'm still trying to work out why he capitalised his misspelling ??: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'm still trying to work out why he capitalised his misspelling ??: That will be his spell checker!!! I would love to see his "Custom Directory" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Baz, I'm sure you could google up a list of Tory corporate donors. Where do they get the money from? Out of the profits that customers provide, so no opt out at the check out. As for TU donations, all new members are provided with the opportunity to "opt out", it was a Tory made law. Getting back to my original point, it's simple, just cap their spending, then they don't need as much money - sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Cap in spending seems to work for me Obs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 But does it work for the main Parties? Be carefull who you vote for, it could cost you money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 The political parties have woeful support which is why they are trying to steal money from the taxpayer to fund their activities. Starve them and hopefully they will die out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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