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The ANC and the IRA were not fighting oppression; they were fighting against the elected governments' of their respected countries. That is why they are terrorists and not freedom fighters or resistance fighters. They blow up innocent kids and women in order to further their aims and to try and destabilise the elected government

 

Resistance fighters such as the Norwegians and the French were fighting against an aggressive, armed occupation of their home countries which is completely different thing. They were fighting against an armed occupation of their country and responded with arms and violence themselves. Unlike in the case of terrorists; who will happily kill innocents as well as Police and Soldiers; the resistance actively targeted the occupying force and in the case of France; the puppet Vichy government in the South....collaborators....

 

Whether the elected governments' were elected by a minority of the people matters not. They were elected using the methods of that time.

 

That is the difference between terrorists and resistance fighters in the scenario you are arguing about. Google it....I did!

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Baz, yes it does matter about the government, black people had no representation at all in apartheid South Africa, they were fighting for their Freedom, just like the Norwegians were. So that makes both freedom fighters. The Norwegians were setting bombs that killed their own people, and when they killed Germans the Germans would retaliate by killing innocent Norwegians, they new their actions would end up killing their own but it did not stop them.

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So you condone murder so long as the murderer justifies it to himself, unless the murderer is Irish in which case you don't. Selective morality then.

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As Clauswitz  said - "war is the pursuit of policy by other means". Where ideological differences cannot be resolved by politics (jaw jaw), folk resort to violence (war war) and the winner writes the history.  One of the few "non-violent" bids for "freedom of oppression" was by Ghandi in India, but that was met with violence, as the incumbent regime (Britain), sought to maintain order and power. So it all depends which side of the argument your on, as to who's a terrorists or a freedom fighter.

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I have already answered your questions, I'm sorry if you don't like the replies I gave. It still doesn't alter the fact that Mandela was a terrorist as much as McGuinness and, to throw another terrorist turned politician into the mix, Menachem Begin.

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No you have not answered

 

 

Are you going to answer, I would very much like to know what you think the Norwegian freedom fighters are and your opinion of Mr Churchill who supported and and gave them arms.

 

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You really are tiresome in your efforts to deflect attention away from your admiration for a murderer Lt Kije.

 

As has already been pointed out the Norwegian resistance were fighting an invading army, and the support received from Churchill was only to be expected as they were fighting against a common enemy.

 

This doesn't alter the fact that Mandela founded a group of terrorists who used bombs and landmines against innocent civilian targets. Murderers in fact.

 

Are you going to explain the reasoning behind your selective morality? "They were fighting apartheid" doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

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It does not matter who they were fighting or what, they were both fighting for the same thing FREEDOM. So that makes both freedom fighters doe it not?

 

The Norwegians killed innocents Asp, supplied by Mr Churchill, It is sad but in all Wars innocent people always die, I in no way support the IRA, but I do know that for some they are Freedom fighters, it does not sit well with me but theirs no point denying it, as the saying goes, one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, and its true!

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You are very selective about who you consider to be a freedom fighter and who you condemn as a terrorist, but your support for the ANC still remains support for murderers whatever gloss you choose to put upon it.

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What has my opinion of something that happened 10 years before I was born got to do with Mandela the terrorist? It's your support for terrorism that is the concern of the moment.

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Because I wasn't around in WW2, were you?

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The Norwegian's share of what? Why all the interest in what I might think of events in WW2? Because it diverts attention away from your support for terrorists?

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You are the Norwegian resistance? I thought you were younger than that!

 

I have NO OPINION on the Norwegian, French, Polish or any other resistance fighters in a conflict that took place BEFORE I WAS EVEN A TWINKLE IN MY DAD'S EYE.

 

Is that clear enough for YOU Lt terrorist supporter Kije?

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We're the Norwegian resistance in YOUR OPINION terrorists or freedom fighters?

 

Is that clear enough for you :wink:

 

What is clear to me Mr. Lt Kije, is that all the time and effort you have invested in ESL, has been a total waste.

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Tres drole Monsieur :lol: :lol: :lol:

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