Dizzy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 have you... so what did you fine or are you keeping it secret Dizz, have done a search on the census's So what did you find or are you keeping it secret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Wonder if this has anything to do with it.... I've been reading old newspapers John Clare of Sankey owned the Crown Glass Works. He placed an advert to rent some of it out in 1857. It's location on the 1851 town map was very close to where Clares Buildings were (although CB's are not on the 1851 map as they hadn't been built then and neither had the railway.) I'm not sure when Crown Glass Works went though. It seems to have been replaced by Warrington Wire Works /Stubbs File Manufacturer. Just a 'maybe' but seems possible I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 I think you may already have an ASBO Dizzy ! Maybe Crown Glass Works gave rise to Crown Street or is that a non starter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 The mywarrington webpage says that Crown glass works was on Crown Street & gives a date of 1844. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 The mywarrington webpage says that Crown glass works was on Crown Street & gives a date of 1844. Davy, the 1850 map shows the Crown Glass works part in Crown St. and part in Orford St., the Cockhedge Glass works is in Orford St. Chicken and egg situation - which came first?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Looks to me that the entrance was on Scotland Road (which I guess is not at all relevant)..... Double ASBO now I guess Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Head scratcher Dizzy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Head scratcher ? You said earlier that you thought I already had an ASBO (which made me giggle).... so I just gave myself another one for posting something that probably wasn't relevant. I think we've both been on here too much today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Dizz it is very relevant and an important detail that I missed, in Pigotts 1818-19-20 Trade Directory - glass Manufacturers in Warrington were; John Alderson & Son, Scotland Rd., T.K.Glazebrook, Orford Lane, Littlemore, Lees & Co (Watch Glass), Perrin Geddes & Co. Bank Quay. 1825 Bains Directory name - Alderson Perrin & Robinson (Flint & watch) Mersey St & Cockhedge. Bank Quay Co. (Flint & Bottle). Clare, Burdy & Co. (Crown) Scotland Rd. T.K.Glazebrook & Co. (Flint) Orford Lane. W.M.Maginnis (Cut) Bridge St. John Robinson, Sankey St. Unsworth & Bethel (Cut) St. John St. Clare - as in Clare's Buildings, is it possible that Clare & Burdy's glass workers lived in that row of houses, they are not that far away - an easy walk through Cockhedge!. (Edit) Sorry to get you excited but those houses were not built and don't show on the 1850 Town Plan, although Clare & Ridgeway are listed as 'Glass manufacturers' in the 1871 Directory!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 On the 1850 map Crown Street would not really be far for employees to walk from Clare's Buildings . Could it be that the land next to Crown St was already earmarked for the railway, so maybe where Clare's Buildings were located was the only land available, considering land to the north of the area is still marked off in what appear to be fields & not yet ready for the rapid expansion that was to come to Warrington. The map shows Newton Street ...would that be the present day station approach ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 On the 1850 map Crown Street would not really be far for employees to walk from Clare's Buildings . Could it be that the land next to Crown St was already earmarked for the railway, so maybe where Clare's Buildings were located was the only land available, considering land to the north of the area is still marked off in what appear to be fields & not yet ready for the rapid expansion that was to come to Warrington. The map shows Newton Street ...would that be the present day station approach ? Newton St was swallowed up by the Central Station construction and would have been immediately north of the original station offices. I have used used the maps to indicate where Newton St. was, using the Old Cheshire Cheese as the datum point. On the 1850 map is Newton St. relative to The Old Cheshire Cheese Inn and in the 1890 map to indicate where it would have been after the station construction, the station approach is a short distance north of what was Newton St. 1850 1890 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Funny old world at times eh Cleo Did your brother-in-law or his brother have a camera. They might have taken some family photo's outside in the street Not sure if they did Dizzy but anyway my Brother-in-law and, indeed, my sister, passed away a number of years ago. As for his brother, I would have no idea where he is now and chances are that he and his wife have too passed away now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Yes ,i get the drift Algy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 Amazing how many people never new that there was an 'Old Cheshire Cheese' in Winwick St.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikehesk Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Clare was a family that did ship building at sankey bridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 That's right they did mikehesk. I've got an old photo somewhere of their ship building yard or if not that a boat being launched from near it. I'll try and find it on my discs/old hard drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Dizz/mikehesk, Clares buildings were nothing directly associated with the Clare & Ridgway boat builders of Sankey bridges (may possibly be related though?). the houses were occupied by the workers from the Clare, Burdy & Co (Crown) Glass Manufacturing Company of CrownStree/Scotland Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Thanks for the info AlgyNice to see you back on here by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Thanks Dizz, not been doing much locally on the net, but have been posting a few pics on a Hereford FB site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Sod Hereford....you live in Warrington Algy and we need you and your posts right here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Fair comment Dizz but I have strong links with Hereford and know the area well although not that strong on it's history, anyway I would not desert my own town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 ok I guess we will have to agree to share you then seeing as though you have strong links with Hereford. That's a 70% share to us and 30 % to them though so just remember that ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Will do, Dizz. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 aren't the SAS based in Hereford?? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 :lol: Maybe more to our knowledgeable Algy that we thought then. I'll make a note not to cross him just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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