observer Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Seems a dilemma has now occurred for US/UK foreign policy. For some time now we've heard criticism of the Syrian secular dictator "killing his own people", with talk of arming the rebels, even though most will be fundementalists and not necessarily friends of the West. Now, we have a Military dictatorship in Egypt "killing it's own people". So where do we go from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Beg your pardon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Guess that's what the ex-President will now be saying to the new President ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Doe Egypt have oil????? The Egyptian army already receives billions in aid from the United States, so the west is already arming one side Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Let's get this right. You saw the headlines about the security forces shooting to kill people and you automatically jump to the conclusion it was the army. Well the security forces are the police not the army. The army was firing tear gas to drive back the pro Morsi camp and to disperse them. It was at this point of turmoil that THE POLICE (uniformed and plain clothed) and rooftop snipers started to shoot to kill - not the army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Fair comment Cleo!, who's going to take the lady on with this one then?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 .. and responsibility for "the Police" rests with the new regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 So? Does that mean the new regime gave orders for them to kill people? Or who did? Don't bother trying to answer that because you just don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Does it matter if its the army or police they are still killing their own people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 errm, the buck stops with the (new) President, or possibly the General who put him there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Does it matter if its the army or police they are still killing their own people. No it doeesn't matter and I have said myself it is so, so terrible because they could be killing their own brother or father, mother or sister or cousin etc.,. The general public would embrace them if they refused to follow orders on occasions such as this. They were only following orders is not an acceptable excuse in these instances. How difficult could it be to turn the gun onto whomever gave the order - FIRE!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 The French revolution was terminated by a "whiff of grapeshot" delivered on the orders of a General, who went on to become Emperor Napoleon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Hourra Napoleon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 The French revolution was terminated by a "whiff of grapeshot" delivered on the orders of a General, who went on to become Emperor Napoleon. Maximilien de Robespierre and than some others Napoleon came some few years later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Robespierre etc, were part of the revolutionary process, and he succumbed to the ongoing anarchy with a date with Madame Guillottine . The Paris mob was finally quelled by Napoleon's "whiff of grapeshot", and he became a joint Consul, before leading French Armies from victory to victory, and himself becoming sole dictator, rather than the previous system of rule by faceless committees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Robespierre etc, were part of the revolutionary process, and he succumbed to the ongoing anarchy with a date with Madame Guillottine . The Paris mob was finally quelled by Napoleon's "whiff of grapeshot", and he became a joint Consul, before leading French Armies from victory to victory, and himself becoming sole dictator, rather than the previous system of rule by faceless committees. Over to you! Lt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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