observer Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Don't really want to regurgitate the argument, but imo nuclear is both extremely expensive and in the light of fracking going on, could be dangerous - much better to tap into nature - but we really need action asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Nuclear power is one of the safest methods of electricity generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Possibly not if we get earthquakes due to the fracking?! Plus the Japs don't seem to agree with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Look up the statistics Obs. Very few people have been killed by nuclear power generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Asp is right, Nuclear is very safe, and is a must for the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Horizon BBC2 9.00pm tonight is about Fracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 BBC1 9:00 is about fecking.... It's Mrs Browns Boys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 But when it goes wrong, it really goes wrong - Fukashima & Chernobyl. But, the cost of commissioning and de-commissioning wont provide us with cheap bills I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Fukashima proved how safe nuclear power stations are, not the opposite! Did you know that you are exposed to more radiation living near to a coal fired power station than a nuclear one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Fukashima is out of bounds and will be for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 But nobody was killed, whereas thousands of people are killed by coal fired power station emissions. Thousands of people were killed by the tsunami in Japan but none by the power station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 But nobody was killed, whereas thousands of people are killed by coal fired power station emissions. Thousands of people were killed by the tsunami in Japan but none by the power station. Completely agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Don't think the first responders at Chernobyl would agree with you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Chernobyl was a product of the Communist failing USSR and was therefore prone to problems not found in nuclear power stations in the rest of the world. I see this in the attitude of officers I sail with who come from former Eastern Block countries. Even now they are reluctant to report equipment failures to management, fearing that they will be somehow found to be at fault for the failure. The disaster at Chernobyl could have been averted if the initial problem had been dealt with quickly enough but instead they tried to cover it up. Â Having said that, it was the world's worst nuclear power station accident. But the actual death toll at the time was less than 50 people. 20 years after the event the World Health Organisation had this to say: Â http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/ Â Every industrial process has it's risks, but these can be managed. If we want to be part of the civilised world we must use the technologies available to us and one of these is nuclear power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Think we'll have to agree to disagree Asp; as we've been over this before; for me, it's too expensive both to commission and to eventually de-commission, and Gov hasn't got a clue as to what to do with the waste. However, what's clear, is that we need a range of new energy sources asap; if we're not going to suffer shortages in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedrogers Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Good Horizon the other night about Fracking...pros and cons as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 recorded it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Seems the North of England is sat on even more shale gas than they thought. A good reason for us to claim Independence from the UK?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Hmm pinch of salt on that one methinks. wonder if it is a ploy to get fracking accepted. They say that there is trillions of cubic whatevers of the stuff but then they say that they are unsure of how much they can actually extract may be as high as at least ten percent according to some sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 .... but 10% appears to be as much as we've had from North Sea oil todate. Providing they stop talking and start drilling asap; it might save us from sky high energy bills and power cuts over the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Might save us Obs, you could just as easly say might not!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think some people might quickly change their views on this when the lights start going out. The way I see it is that there’s always going to be objections to any proposal (energy or otherwise) but in this case, the immediate needs of the nation has to take precedence over concerns about possible environmental effects.  The predicted energy shortfall is real and a lot closer than many believe and it wouldn’t take much to take us over that tripping point where lives, jobs and the whole wellbeing of the country are put at serious risk.  Even if we gave the companies a green light right now, there’s no guarantee that they could produce the gas in time to prevent future grid failures.  Bill  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Bill   As someone who works in the energy sector, I am fully awhere of the energy shortfall, As they have found gas under most of the North West, it might be alot nearer than people think, its ok in Lancashire I wonder if people will feel the same if they start drilling round Warrington, especailly round the afluenent parts. I doubt it!!!!!!!, Its a bit like wind energy most like it, till they get their view ruined by a windmill, this has the added bonus of contaminating peoples water and earth tremours, I think the nimbys will be out in force aswell as the enviomentalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 The government are now talking about paying the big devourers of energy  money to cut back on consumption to help to keep the lights on.  Maybe the Galaxy dark room test would help as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Well OFGEN claim we'll be down to 2% spare capacity by 2016, so perhaps we'll need a rota for putting the TV and kettle on?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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