observer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 It's looking like these two head cases are from Nigeria originally - so much for our open door immigration shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 It's looking like these two head cases are from Nigeria originally - so much for our open door immigration shambles. The report I saw just said one of them was of Nigerian descent - we're all of African descent if you go back far enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 I find your reference to her gracious majesty offensive. My apologies - I meant to say " that Windsor woman and her successors" ( I didn't mean to give her position legitimacy by using the word "queen") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 During the height of the IRA's activities would Obs have been demanding that all Roman Catholics should be forced to take an oath, along with anyone with an Irish accent or name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Is the term 'an eye for an eye' in the Koran or the Bible? just asking. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Lex Talionis (an eye for an eye) is referred to as Qasas in the Qur'an. Sharia Law is based on an eye for an eye. An eye for an eye is mentioned in the Bible but Jesus ben Joseph (the Nazarene) said do not resist the one who is evil. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the left cheek also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 It's looking like these two head cases are from Nigeria originally - so much for our open door immigration shambles. I think you will find that they are of Nigeian decsent but are actually British - there is a difference to being from Nigeria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 All seemed well with them until they converted to Islam..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Well if they don't like the UK, they can return to Nigeria - SIMPLES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 No work over there, they are all here scamming the gullible public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Well if they don't like the UK, they can return to Nigeria - SIMPLES! Can you not comprehend? How can they return to nigeria if they have not come from nigeria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 What Cleo said, although I'm afraid the logic of it will escape many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 OK... maybe not "returned" to Nigeria.... how about just "sent" to Nigeria? We used to send people to Australia that didn't want to conform to British society....i.e. criminals.... so why can't we just get rid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 I don#t think either of them will be going anywhere for a very long time. What I find ironic and disturbing about this atrocity is that if the BNP or EDL had spent a billion pounds on a recruitment drive it would not have driven as many new members their way as these two pieces of excrement have done by using the Islamic faith as their justification for their psychopathic actions. p.s. re the OP the idea that an oath of allegiance would in any way stop this kind of act being perpetrated is simply gormless, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 From what I've seen about this incident, the perpetrator - of Nigerian descent and born in Balham - was reported to be trying to get to Somalia to fight (for one of the 2 Muslim factions trying to wipe each other out). Later he was reported to be trying to get to Syria to fight (for one of the 2 Muslim factions trying to wipe each other out). In other words he is a psychopath. If he hadn't killed the soldier he would have fixated on someone else. The man is a nutter with only a slim grasp on reality (part of his little oration after his bloody deed was a demand to bring "our soldiers" home. Deluded or what? He obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 If these demics have been to Muslim Countries and they are on the Security Services radar - simples - just don't let them back into the UK. However, that would require an efficient and effective UKBF, with sufficient political backing to do the job properly. The idea of an oath, would assist in identifying radicalised individuals, permitting treatment options to de-radicalise them or get rid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 dream on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 These people were on the radar already, but were expected to go and do their murdering elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 What the last couple of posts said, really. <edit: it was 39 and 40 when I started writing this> A couple of religious loons made names for themselves with this. That's it. Glad to see most people are being sensible here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 From what I've seen about this incident, the perpetrator - of Nigerian descent and born in Balham - was reported to be trying to get to Somalia to fight (for one of the 2 Muslim factions trying to wipe each other out). Later he was reported to be trying to get to Syria to fight (for one of the 2 Muslim factions trying to wipe each other out). In other words he is a psychopath. If he hadn't killed the soldier he would have fixated on someone else. The man is a nutter with only a slim grasp on reality (part of his little oration after his bloody deed was a demand to bring "our soldiers" home. Deluded or what? He obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. Well said Asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Surely, we have to find out WHY these fanatics want to kill British people? We welcome them into our country, we make available to them, all the benefits which are available to the rest of us. I know these guys had it in for soldiers, because they "kill Muslims" but they only get sent to fight against Muslims because some Muslims blow up tube trains and fly aircraft into skyscrapers. What I want to know, and I have never seen a really satisfactory explanation, is WHY do these fanatics hate us so much they are prepared to give up their own lives to kill us? I know quite a few Muslims who seem OK to me, and the vast majority of Muslims in this country condemn the actions of the fanatics. So WHY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 It all seems a bit strange to me that a couple of blokes would butcher someone like that then hang about for 10 minutes or more till the police arrive on the scene. Probably a couple of drugged up losers looking for a cause to latch onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 It has been suggested that they were waiting for the armed cops so they could die a martyrs death.... the widely used phrase "death by cop" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 It all seems a bit strange to me that a couple of blokes would butcher someone like that then hang about for 10 minutes or more till the police arrive on the scene. Probably a couple of drugged up losers looking for a cause to latch onto. So that the police could shoot and kill them. Which is why they ran at the police as they got out of the car, to make sure that is what would happen and they would become 'martyrs'. However, the police having not shot to kill but to halt them, they will now lose face and be looked upon as failures instead of victorious martyrs - no martyrdom for them - just prison for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 . However, the police having not shot to kill but to halt them, Not sure that Police are trained to 'wound' people, I think they were both lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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