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  1. Or maybe not doomed...'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has backtracked on its gloomy post-Brexit forecast for the UK, saying it is likely the country will be the fastest growing major economy in 2016.' Taken from Yahoo Finance today. But can we believe them now after all that nonsense leading up to the referendum?
  2. If Merkel wanted us to be a team, she would have invited the young and unemployed from Spain, Greece, Portugal and other EU countries to fill her employee void, rather than encouraging the undocumented all and unidentifiable sundry to try their hand at crossing the Mediterranean and barging through Balkan countries uninvited causing untold chaos and mess. She has stirred right-wing politics in all those countries and cost them a fortune in the process. Just a thought.
  3. It will be a total vote, not by constituency. Make sure you vote, Adam. If it's remain you will never get the chance again. If it's leave, you probably will. Some of the remain politicians have virtually confessed to being incapable of passing legislation and running the country if we leave. Best we get rid of them - Cameron and Osborne - if you ask me.
  4. It will be close despite the BBC's best efforts at weighting their impartiality and conveniently forgetting to report on the migrant crisis recently. I do worry a little about postal votes given our constituencies vulnerable to fraud and what happened in Austria a couple of weeks ago. I do hope that we take back our democratic right to remove our decision makers. Hillary Benn should have listened to his father who, along with Enoch Powell, understood completely what would happen to our Parliamentary democracy back in the seventies.
  5. Furthermore, only an idiot would wish to be governed by a group of people (EU Commission) that cannot be de-selected, voted out, whatever. And only an idiot would wish to continue with the complete and unfettered free movement of people as we currently have. The inability to plan for housing (we always fail there), educational places and standards, NHS, roads, other services is actually catastrophic for budgets everywhere. When you go for your weekly shop you always like to know roughly how many people will be staying in your house next week. By the way, when the Met Office states that the UK's average temperature will drop 10% if we leave the EU but increase if we stay - their catastrophic prediction will be full of sh*t too!
  6. The joint purposes of the EU - a supranational power - are ever closer political union, ever closer monetary union, and ever closer economic union. David Cameron's 'negotiation' with Donald Tusk et al in February resulted in the UK possibly retaining a veto on the political element and retaining the right to stay out of the euro - all subject to ratification er, after the referendum. What does that leave us with? Never wishing to join their currency but always subject to its performance, always resisting Euro-centric power but being subject to its law-making, and clinging to a closed-shop economy that is actually shrinking. Why do they want us as members under those conditions? It is clear we don't want to be full members. Given that the UK is one of two gross contributing nations in the EU AND has a massive trade deficit, I think the member states will wish to continue trading in a tariff-free environment.
  7. Of course you can't believe statistics punted out by anybody, especially the ONS. Generally speaking, around 79.2% of statistics are made up. Logically, indigenous populations decrease where education and prosperity increase. For instance, and I am relying on general knowledge here and not finely tuned data that one would expect from political giants such as David Blunkett or George Osborne: in the late 1900s families often comprised six or even eight children, as some would die and the rest were needed to earn income for the household. As the twentieth century trundled on and education became available to all, housing improved along with health care, so family-size dropped progressively. The welfare state was created not long after the war and that begat the option of not working and the need for migrant labour. Fast forward to now: the average number of children born to indigenous families has fallen below two, which is not enough to sustain a population or its workforce. Therefore, as more people live longer and more people choose not to work, migrant labour is required to broaden the base of the tax-paying pyramid. Most migrant groups import their own cultures, some of which are dozens of years behind our own standard of living, so still have large families, especially as the women are not allowed to work. Given the advances made in freely available education, Northern European countries can't even rely on indigenous Catholics to maintain birth-rates. All in all, in a capitalist society, however Socialist the undercurrent, the population is likely to increase due to demands made on tax-paying workforce size. I believe that recently the number of people working legally in the country rose to a record high. Don't quote me.
  8. Short of appointing Aston Villa's board to run the country, I think we will be just fine outside of the EU. Being a member hasn't saved us from anything and it's taken 35 years to reduce roaming charges - that's the lollipop that Eddie Izzard offered young voters on the BBC recently, along with cheap flights (to locations about an hour from where you want to go). The purpose of the EU is ever closer union, harmonised economies and the adoption of the Euro. Mr Cameron claims to have won an exemption on all those things, so why should we want to stay in something that we're not quite in? Migration is an issue already as it is not possible to budget or plan accurately as a government, council or institution, but I foresee migration on a very different scale making its mark before the end of the decade. Leaving doesn't mean evicting Europeans or falling out with each other. Many are very well settled in the UK. Leaving means retaining sovereignty and being able to vote out law-makers. Let's try it.
  9. It is disappointing to hear that both Cameron and Osborne clearly admit to not being up to the job should we vote out. That they writhe around making puerile and unfounded predictions is equally disappointing. We currently trade with the EU incurring a massive deficit. I understand that only once, in 1975, did we trade in surplus. For that reason the rest of Europe will continue to trade with us. It would be unlikely that any individual EU nation would impose any kind of tariff, particularly Germany, because it would be reciprocated and that wouldn't make business sense. No European nationals currently exercising their Treaty rights (to reside and seek work) in the UK will be asked to leave because businesses won't want to lose staff and the process would be highly impractical. As far as a recession is concerned: we have had several during our tenure in the EU and we're still here. In fact, most of us don't know that we are out of the last one yet. Therefore, from an economic perspective I believe leaving would not cause 'catastrophe'. Should house prices actually drop 18%, then Mr Osborne should be pleased that the children of ordinary folk might be able to afford to buy one. Should he stop wealthy foreigners from buying up every square inch of London, then a Londoner earning less than £100,000 pa might be able to buy one. They value of one's property is entirely relative: if the value drops 5%, then the cost of your next one will be 5% lower too. Like any market, a rise in value has a direct correlation to a rise in the number of potential purchasers. So, no catastrophe there either. Having the right to elect leaders and political decision makers is definitely desirable. As we do not have that democratic right with the European Commission, just a 1/28th voice (and I can't even name ours), I believe it to be imperative that we leave the Union. The acquisition of democracy will not be catastrophic either. Having more control of our borders is desirable, as without controllable numbers no institution can be expected to budget accurately which is proving extraordinarily difficult in our schools and the NHS as it is. Being able to budget reasonably must be a good thing and not catastrophic. I could go on...
  10. Why we cannot stay - 'The European Parliament has voted by an overwhelming majority to deny China the coveted prize of market economy status (MES), warning that it would leave Europe's battered industries vulnerable to a devastating flood of subsidised Chinese goods.' 'MEPs voted by 546 to 28 against the proposal...' 'The vote is NOT binding but it greatly constrains the European Commission in its efforts to push through MES...' Daily Telegraph 13th May 2016. That 95% of a vote cannot guarantee success against an UNELECTED commission is surely evidence enough that our own imperfect democracy is better than the governance of body of bureaucrats of which the UK has a 1/28th voice. We may change our government at the ballot box every five years. That is not an option in the EU. Who will be riding the four horses of the apocalypse if we vote out? Merkel on Pestilence, Cameron on War, Lagarde on Famine and Obama on Death? What are the odds, Paddy Power?
  11. PJ, read my posts and respond to the points contained therein, rather than just say the idea is stupid. If we mined your posts for ideas we would need a government subsidy pretty quickly to stay open. Squillion is an non-specific large number, so no need for (sic) afterwards ironically, given that you should use it when highlighting someone's spelling or grammatical error. Give us some of your ideas. Anyone can cut and paste a link from a left-wing newspaper or website which goes some way towards justifying their own ideology or funding, in the case of the UCL 'report'. These institutions don't write reports without good reason. That good reason is usually money. I could have a wild stab in the dark as to the origin of the funding. I am sure you could too. If you are analysing a subject, you may wish refer to more than one source or viewpoint for balance. I only ask that we retain some of our own skills that they be used and passed on. The Guardian link refers to £6.8bn education requirement to make up the skills gap. That hole didn't appear overnight. Successive governments have overseen its creation. I find that abhorrent. We need to encourage our students into vocational subjects, such as those where shortfalls exist.
  12. Anecdotally, a car wash not far from me pays £2.50 per hour to its Romanian staff who, so it seems, work very hard for their pittance. That they work hard is good, that they are exploited by a cash-based industry obviously is not, despite earning perhaps five times what they would at home - hence the movement of so many people. I doubt the number of HMRC inspectors has increased, but the number of car washes certainly has, therefore difficult to police, so likely to end up in the 'too hard to do' tray. Furthermore, all of the staff are likely use street lighting, NHS, police, fire service etc without (given the desperately low income) contributing through tax, NI, council tax and the like. Think about that next time you take your car for a soap and rinse.
  13. Sounds like you are describing Trident. It is essential that we retain some capacity to produce power and products, and of course to maintain skills. That doesn't mean we have to try to compete globally on a manufacturing level - two completely different points. The latter is governed by the World Trade Organisation - see my earlier post. We have been running the NHS at a massive loss for many years without trying hard enough to recruit and train local people or trying hard enough to ensure only those that are entitled to use it have access. Successive governments have wasted squillions of pounds on all sorts of nonsense - O2 Arena, institutional computer systems, youth 'employment' schemes, subsidising our 'private' railways, ID cards, EU membership, warning the markets that we're going to sell gold off so the price drops, selling Royal Mail off (and undervaluing it), etc - so spending a few quid retaining some skills and production capacity makes perfect sense.
  14. Try and make it again on 10th October when there is the national non-league day. Town are playing Harrogate Railway Athletic and it will only be £5 for an adult to get in. The team now sits third in the league and is on a bit of a run. We should get behind them.
  15. The reasons immigrants aren't really bothered about our laws and enforcement are violent criminals are not likely to die at the hands of the police when conducting their business; they get free legal representation when they get caught despite ill-gotten gains; they are not likely to be deported, or lose their criminal rewards, and our prisons are often better places to live than their homelands. Not that long ago, an Italian mafioso who had hidden in London for many years had his barrister argue successfully that Italy's jails would breach his human rights. That was the day we should have left the EU. However, we have to wait until our referendum whenever that may be. The Blair family has a lot to answer for, not forgetting the Iraq war either.
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