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  1. Yes, the game was exciting and had Briers not gone off injured Wire would have probably prevailed. In a previous post I didn't say Wire were boring just that the TV games I have watched recently certainly were. It would be interesting to ask Mr Smith his opinion of what's creeping into the game and that's the Wigan origin of what I call the *gang* tackle, that is to involve at least three defenders in the tackle to make a human pile and then take forever to allow the tackled player to play the ball by getting off the tackled player in sequence 3-2-1 to allow the defence plenty of time to organise itself and get onside. Some would call it gamesmanship but I prefer the more honest description....cheating. If spectators can see what's happening, why can't referees and the powers that be who run the game ? Perhaps in this week's video interview Gary can ask Mr Smith his opinion.

     

    So how do you stop it - bring in a law saying a player can not be tackled by more than two players at any one time.

    If three players are going into the tackle they must be leaving gaps out wide so it is up to the attacking team to try and play the ball as quickly as possible and get the ball out wide and through the holes.

    What Wigan did slightly better than Warrington was soak up pressure and then hit a purple match at a telling point in the game.

    Both teams gave their all and a draw would have probably been a fair result.

    I don't feel down about the result because Warrington did their best and were unlucky.

    I certainly feel it is a bit harsh to accuse Wigan of cheating.[/quote

     

     

    Of course it's cheating.. It's impossible to play the ball quickly when you've got 50 stone of humanity lying on top of you for as long as they are allowed to get away with. It's a coaching inspired tactic and I'm not holding my breath for one coach to criticise another in the incestuous world of RL coaching.

     

     

     

    Totally agree. If in a football match a player dives to gain an advantageous over their rivals to say get a penalty, get a player sent off etc., is this just gamesmanship or cheating? To my mind, it's cheating, full stop. I don't see the difference - by lying on like Wigan do they are trying to gain an advantage over their opponents!

     

    When NRL players come over to Super League, the first thing they say is that our game is quicker and more open than in Australia, and therefore is a more attarctive brand of rugby. Long may this continue I say, so stamp this lying on out now before it becomes endemic and all clubs start doing it and we end up with a slower game.


  2. wirewire, if it makes for boring games, what went wrong on Saturday?

     

    It was an exciting game but you must have been frustrated by Wigan continually slowing down the play the ball - just think how much more exciting it would have been if this was penalised early doors!

     

    And of course, this would have been to our advantage...........


  3. Yes, the game was exciting and had Briers not gone off injured Wire would have probably prevailed. In a previous post I didn't say Wire were boring just that the TV games I have watched recently certainly were. It would be interesting to ask Mr Smith his opinion of what's creeping into the game and that's the Wigan origin of what I call the *gang* tackle, that is to involve at least three defenders in the tackle to make a human pile and then take forever to allow the tackled player to play the ball by getting off the tackled player in sequence 3-2-1 to allow the defence plenty of time to organise itself and get onside. Some would call it gamesmanship but I prefer the more honest description....cheating. If spectators can see what's happening, why can't referees and the powers that be who run the game ? Perhaps in this week's video interview Gary can ask Mr Smith his opinion.

     

    Wigan came to spoil, just like Huddersfield do, and take gamesmanship to a whole new level - or as "Safe" states quite correctly - cheating! Wigan got penalised a few times for it, but should have had a player binned to try and cut it out and allow a quicker play the ball. It's no coincidence that Wigan and Hudds are coached by young Aussie coaches and I hope this trend doesn't continue, because it will make for boring games totally dominated by cheating defensive tactics!


  4. Maybe he'll run with 4 specialist props this season and fill the void with any of the players mentioned above as and when required.

     

    Two props in the starting line-up and two more on the bench. How many more props are you suggesting the team needs ?

     

    With injuries (like Wood's broken leg, Rah's back etc.) it's always good to have cover if any of the 4 get injured. I don't see that we have any "specialist" cover in that area, albeit others can fill the void if required.


  5. We look light on props for next year with only Morley, Carvell, Woody and Coops. Do we have anyone else lined up as cover for these?

     

    Er .. what about our new signing David Solomona and the best up and coming Prop in the game Ben Harrison!! We also have Adam Neal coming through the ranks who has just been voted Player of the Year for the Reserve Grade and is a great prospect.

    Tyrone McCarthy won the award last year and look what he has achieved already!

     

    Solomona isn't a prop, neither is Ben Harrison. Adam Neal I don't know much about to be honest, so can't comment on him.

     

    Westwood might be the best option - he's played there before for us with some success.

     

    Maybe he'll run with 4 specialist props this season and fill the void with any of the players mentioned above as and when required.

     

    While Solomona has played second row now with advancing years I am sure he will fill in at prop as an impact player. While Harrison has been in at loose forward I see his future as a Prop as he matures.

     

    I think you could be right Gary - in any event, I have the utmost faith in TS so I'm sure he's planned everything out.


  6. We look light on props for next year with only Morley, Carvell, Woody and Coops. Do we have anyone else lined up as cover for these?

     

    Er .. what about our new signing David Solomona and the best up and coming Prop in the game Ben Harrison!! We also have Adam Neal coming through the ranks who has just been voted Player of the Year for the Reserve Grade and is a great prospect.

    Tyrone McCarthy won the award last year and look what he has achieved already!

     

    Solomona isn't a prop, neither is Ben Harrison. Adam Neal I don't know much about to be honest, so can't comment on him.

     

    Westwood might be the best option - he's played there before for us with some success.

     

    Maybe he'll run with 4 specialist props this season and fill the void with any of the players mentioned above as and when required.


  7. He certainly seems to be enjoying his stint as Head Coach. Interestingly, he mentioned right at the start that the players were relaxed and happy and playing with a smile on their faces. Does that mean that they weren't during PC's reign and if not did he not have the support of the dressing room? Maybe this was why the players weren't playing for him and the results were so dire?


  8. Interesting interview Gary - according to Moz, Cullen was either asked to resign or sacked, which is different to what has been stated previously.

     

    Alot of rumours flying around in the press saying we've been turned down by Daniel Anderson and have now switched our attentions to either Tony Smith or Brian McDermott! Of the tow, I'd much rather take Smith, although I'd be surprized if he'd be interested..............


  9. Bobby Fulton would be amazing. I remember watching him when he played at Wilderspool.

     

    I hadn't considered him because of his age, thinking he might not like moving to the other side of the world.

     

    I'd like to see Wayne Bennett as the replacement coach.

     

     

    Wayne Bennett would be the dream ticket - however in March he signed a three-year contract to coach the St George Illawarra Dragons from season 2009.

     

    I think the best option, and a very good one, would be Steve Folkes who has thrown his hat into the ring.


  10. As I've previously stated, he did a good job for us to get us to where we are now,

     

    Eh and that would be nowhere :?:?:roll:

     

    Relegation candidates.

     

    Since he's joined, that fear has now gone and he's got us to a "solid" middle table team and managed to attarct some decent players to the club (admittedly they have underperformed since arriving) but he leaves us in a healthy position with the squad any new coach will inherit.


  11. He made you work hard in that interview didn't he?

    What on earth gives you that impression! :roll::wink:

     

     

    He didn't seem a natural orator, so wasn't very expansive with his answers like others you've interviewed. You just seemed to have to work harder than normal to keep the interview flowing.....


  12. I don't think anyones laughing at him and most people respect what he's done so far. This is not the question though - it's whether he has the ability to take us forward and be genuine contenders for trophies. From his track record so far, I for one think he can't, and so it gives me no pleasure in saying so but enough is enough - he needs to fall on his sword.

     

    I appreciate that any other coach coming in won't have Paul's passion for the club, but that hasn't stopped teams like Leeds & St Helen's dominating - at the end of the day it's a job and we as a club always try and get the best players available, so why not try and get the best coach?


  13. Good interview Gary with some "tough questions", but PC's answers are always the same about lack of discipline, silly penalties, not holding onto the ball etc.

     

    He states that the buck stops with him, and for whatever reason he can't seem to stem the tide. I'm sure both he and the team and working very hard to rectify these mistakes but their efforts clearly aren't working. Much as I admire him as a person and his passion and comittment to the club, I am one of those people you referred to in your interview that feel he's done a good job to get us to where we are, but we need new ideas and a fresh approach to take us to the next level.

     

    Let's hope he can show total comittment to the club by standing down and letting someone else take over the "hot seat".


  14. That's the trouble with great comebacks, they tend to take the mind off the abysmal performances that made them necessary.

     

    Using Gary's logic, they didn't want to play for Cull in the first half.

     

    No as Lee Briers admitted they didn't follow the coaches game plan - they did in the second half and won the game from a near impossible position!

    Doesn't matter how good you are as a coach if the players don't perform.

    :oops:

     

    True on both counts - the question is why aren't our international players capable of following a game plan from the start, and if they're not following the plan why do we have to wait for half time to correct it - surely a message should have gone out via a water carrier to the captain spelling out the errors of their ways!

     

    That being said, it was a fantastic fightback and should leave us in a good frame of mind for the cup game.


  15. A must win game this weekend.

     

    If we can't play good attacking (offensive for Safes!) rugby on the large open pitch with the roof shut and the pitch being near perfect, then something is definatley wrong somewhere!

     

    I'd expect us to post 40+ points against the Giants, who have been struggling of late.


  16. I thought it was a good interview and you asked some good questions - Paul has always been a "good talker" but now I'd like to see him "walk the walk".

     

    I think we need to beat Huddersfield convincingly, and then go on to beat both Sts and Wigan to get our season back on track - anything less will be deemed "underachieving"!


  17. I don't think anyone can doubt Paul's passion and committment to the club - it's 2nd to none in Super League. What I'm starting to question is whether he's the right person to move us forward to brighter and bigger things.

     

    He certainly has something, because he can attract top class players to the club, but then doesn't seem to be able to bring the best out of the talent we have available. I think this season he HAS to deliver something, otherwise I think he ought to step down and let someone else have a crack - let's be honest, if Catalans can attract 20 applicants for their job including Aussies, we'd hope to be able to attract more and also better applicants!

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