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  1. 3 points
    Sorry Geoff, I don't agree with you on this. The 'City for Peace' concept didn't work and I don't think a bid for 'City of Culture' will benefit from us being portrayed as a town in constant mourning. The bombing happened 20 years ago, isn't it time to move on? Other towns have been bombed or had terrible tragedy but they haven't made it a trademark. Manchester has recently had one of the biggest tragedies ever in the UK but they straight away organised another concert to restore confidence. Warrington's yearly bridge street vigils achieve nothing but to make people re-live the terror of that day and with what's going on in the world at present can only be a reminder as to how vulnerable we are. I feel sorry for the Parry's as everyone else in the town who remembers must, (as if we'll ever be able to forget), but the children of today need to be able to live unfettered from past misery and be allowed to grow up in an optimistic, joyful, forward-thinking atmosphere. Can we not just dump the doom & gloom and go for 'Opportunity and Optimism'? be a town where there are opportunities for all, (young & old & socially inclusive) where talent is nurtured and where life can be lived fully & joyfully. We already have good educational standards, integrated communities, the disability awareness project and recently the wonderful and much needed disability inclusive playground, etc. So why don't we just build on the positives we have? We need to increase and improve arts provision, (re-open the old art college?) build a theatre, increase and enhance our open spaces, provide good hospital & healthcare facilities and upgrade the transport system. (loads more to add to that list but it'll do for a start ) Instead of 'Warrington a Town Pledged to Peace' couldn't we be 'Warrington - Where Everyone's a Winner!'
  2. 3 points
    I agree Dizzy, Perth looks lovely, and makes me want to go there too! But, do any of you honestly believe that this competition really has anything at all to do with culture? In these days of 'fake austerity' it seems to me like nothing more than an excuse for pouring public money into developer's pockets. Check out how much previous contestants have spent on building 'cultural' venues in order to be a 'contestant', then check how many of these venues have become money draining white elephants only to lie empty or be converted to cheap offices etc. WBC has for years allowed its built heritage to be destroyed, have employed a 'regeneration officer' infamously renown for destroying precious roman heritage in Chester and wouldn't know what 'culture' was if it smacked them in the face. They have embarked upon a town centre regeneration programme that CABE actively criticized and refused to support, whilst the beautiful Victorian Bridge St which could have been the town's best tourist attraction has been left to rot. They have allowed a town centre nightlife of drugs, drink and violence to flourish, have allowed the ancient home of the first Lord of Warrington to be converted into yuppie apartments and but for mass public outrage would have sold off Walton Hall and Gardens to become a 'boutique hotel'. etc. etc. etc. Notably, they were recently voted worst in the country for culture. Yet despite all this I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were well placed in, or even won, this farce of a competition, because I think the real criteria is how much profit the contestants can generate for the developer friends of this greedy, materialistic government.
  3. 3 points
    So the EU are demanding we pay them billions to get out. They are demanding that all agreements are done BEFORE we start trade talks too and also want the rights of EU citizens living here to be all agreed and rubber stamped ..... and yet when we throw an ace into the ring, namely the fact that the EU rely very heavily on our security services and expertise, they cry in unison that that shouldn't be allowed??? Of course it should. Our security services are paid for by OUR taxes and is bugger all to do with the EU. If they want our info to keep them safe then they should bloody well pay for it and make concessions to keep that info flowing. If you negotiate, you negotiate with everything you've got. You don't agree to the other parties terms ad infinitum and then accept a few crumbs back.
  4. 2 points
    My condolences fugt, it must be so depressing to be permanently negative. Liberals lost to a businessman, get used to it. The man made billions of dollars, lost it and came back and did it again. Anyone who can equal that is entitled to unfairly criticize him. He's been in office for seven months, please give me a list of his evil deeds to date. He has reduced illegal immigration, he has backed the police forces, he has removed many of the idiot Obama's job destroying regulations, tried to revise the healthcare but was stalled by 'politicians'. I could go on, but I await your list with interest. By the way, the Unions are right behind his agenda and his agencies have never arrested or deported any illegal who wasn't a violent criminal. Finally, can someone please give an answer, as a normal human being I'm at a loss. Why do left wing liberals always feel that they have to turn human suffering into gotcha politics - the epitome of bad taste. I guess it's because they have no original thoughts and it comoflages their lack of ideas. I apologize folks, been taut as a spring for a couple of weeks, but feeling better right now- just opened the bar. Aaaahh
  5. 2 points
    Seems travelling by air is becoming an even more tiresome task, as "enhanced immigration checks" are causing even longer queuing times for Brit tourists in Europe. Meanwhile, thousands of illegal immigrants are entering the EU from Libya, where such "enhanced" checks may be more usefully employed.
  6. 2 points
    No doubt, the Remainers in the political establishment have tried to confound our leaving at every turn, and if allowed to succeed, will inflict a humiliating and costly compromise on the UK. OUT means, out of the single market (= no free movement). out of the customs union (= make our own trade deals), out of the ECoJ (= control of our own laws). Anything less would be a sell out of the wishes of the British people, as expressed in the referendum.
  7. 2 points
    So we are all ok with a time travelling, self regenerating, immortal alien zooming about in a phonebox yet we struggle with a woman playing it, have a look at yourself or better still jump in the tardis and whizz back a few centuries to where you belong.. The very notion of a female doctor this day and age indeed
  8. 2 points
    The thing is Gary, Warrington isn't. And not just by a little. It's a million miles behind even a city like Stoke, with all its challenges. Until the local media and council identify and accept that, nothing will change. As I said before, even a small town like Newcastle under Lyme has more to offer than Warrington. The town is a cultural backwater and it's only been the action of residents standing up to the council that has ensured Warrington has something left to offer culturally, however little. How many RSA reports and rejections do you need to see things for what they are? If the council had its way, there'd be no libraries and no Walton Hall for a start. It's only residents and local groups that ensure there are any green spaces and cultural life at all. The council's vision is purely shit housing estates, out of town retail and business parks with everybody moving between them in cars on inadequate roads. No amount of sloganeering from the council and well-meaning but deluded councillors like Dan Price is going to cover that. I hope the council wakes up soon and people like you start to put real pressure on them instead of making statements like this. Until then, it's up to the people to preserve whatever culture and heritage the town has.
  9. 2 points
    Both my son and his wife went to University at the same time. They are both now in their early 30's (They were childhood sweethearts ) they both have since gained good jobs based on their degrees. Both are paying back their student loans (My son maxxed his out because he saw it as free money) and they also own their own house and are looking to move in the next few years. Student debt isn't as ominous as it sounds if the course the student is taking is likely to reap benefits in the future and the government will get money back as long as the degree course doesn't lead to a job paying minimum wage. Can't really see what the fuss is to be honest My youngest son has just left school at 16 and is looking at college with a view to going to uni
  10. 2 points
    Correct Davy, their every utterance shows them up to be the nasty dictators that they are. Whatever the consequences we're better off out.
  11. 2 points
    Corbyn should be ashamed for using this disaster for political point scoring. No class.
  12. 2 points
    if only they were all "hung".... that would be a much better outcome for the country. We could start again
  13. 2 points
    I see that PCC David Keane (Penketh and Cuerdley LAB) has appointed as his new Deputy Sareda Dirir, the daughter of Allin Dirir (Penketh and Cuerdley LAB) and Linda Dirir (Penketh and Cuerdley LAB). Even though her interview by the Police and Crime Panel confirmed she is far from an ideal candidate, to put it mildly. You can see it here. https://cheshirewestandchester.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/272335 If any politicians want to know why they are held in such generally low regard, here is the reason.
  14. 2 points
    What grips my pipe is that whatever some politicians do, however morally ambiguous, corrupt or illegal, the standard response from their colleagues is what Geoff has done here. Namely, just to claim it's what goes with the turf of being a politician. You can imagine them all sitting around in the Councillor's Social Club. "Course in my day, it was OK to pay tens of thousands to a friend's daughter and nobody took offence. Now people just expect you to employ the best person for the job which means interviewing twenty people before you give it to the person you were going to give it to in the first place." "It's political correctness gone mad, Dave." "You're right there Terry. I remember we just used to set fire to planning records when nobody was looking. Now you can't even build something for yourself using public money without somebody asking how much." "Just put a towel over your head and say that there's no such thing. We're not building offices for ourselves and even if we were they wouldn't cost anything. And even if they did cost something, they'd come from the capital budget and not revenue. And even if the loan repayments came from the revenue budget, they'd still not count. And even if they did count, we'd keep it all to ourselves. Bloody taxpayers, coming over here, paying their taxes and asking what we're doing with them." "Wise words, Russ. How's the City of Culture bid going Dan?" "All sorted. We've sent them a dictionary and crossed out the definition of culture being about arts and theatre and music and whatever and highlighted the one that says 'The growing of microorganisms, tissue cells, or other living matter in a specially prepared nutrient medium'. Coventry, Stoke and Perth may have historic buildings and theatres but that's only one definition of culture. We've got the Persepolis on Orford Lane and its two star hygiene rating."
  15. 2 points
    Let's hope so. Macron visited a factory, that was due to close due to re-location to Poland; to speak to TU reps. Meanwhile, Le Pen met with protesting workers outside. Later, when confronted by the workers, Macron had the hard faced arrogance to suggest that the move would benefit them, as they could buy cheaper washing machines from Poland. This is typical of the contempt that the EU elite have for the working class; let's hope they return that contempt at the election.
  16. 2 points
    Great effort... but sadly, although much of your waste was recyclable, if people don't have the money to pay for the recycling, the council aren't interested. The waste collection services in the town are atrocious and IMHO it should not be left to volunteers and community groups to carry out this essential service, it should be done by the council as part of their commitment to saving the planet and recycling its resources. But of course they have expensive new offices to pay for and need every penny they can grab
  17. 2 points
    Geoff (and others) I don't know whether you're still interested but this is the video supporting Stoke's bid. http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/video-why-would-anyone-want-to-live-in-stoke-on-trent/story-30236025-detail/story.html?641 I wouldn't even say Stoke is favourite but you can see Warrington's problem. Not only is it an inferior candidate, all I've seen so far from WBC are some t-shirts, a couple of press releases and a competition to get kids and amateur artists to send some work in to be pinned up in the council's offices. You have to wonder whether anybody thought any of this through before spending time and money on it. This is not to say that Warrington isn't a great place in many ways, but you just know if the council came up with a promotional video, it would be like this.
  18. 2 points
    Having sent our troops out to kill Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan, we've had the bizarre spectacle of seeing a Marine convicted of murder for doing just that. Finally, common sense seems to have prevailed with a reduced charge and sentence for Sgt Blackman. Perhaps time our soldiers were protected from being stabbed in the back by these HR lawyers ?
  19. 2 points
    Apparently an Imam in Rochdale has asked the authorities for protection for Muslims. Surely it's in the hands of the Muslim communities to weed out the nutjob elements amongst them and hand them over to the police.
  20. 2 points
    Made it into the pages of Private Eye this week, but full coverage still missing from the pages of Pravda the Guardian. As ever, local Labour councillors are being given an easy ride by the local media, even when one of them who also functions as the PCC for £72,000 a year but won't commit to it full time has to move his office away from Police HQ and appoint a family friend for £50,000 to help him maximise his income for as little work as possible. If that ain't a front page news story, then I don't work in publishing myself. All three Warrington councillors should be suspended and the appointment investigated. What Salford do with the DPCC is up to them, but they may be glad to see her turn up for once if they do decide to ask her what she's playing at.
  21. 2 points
    Apart from anything, I question the morality of lumbering the town with a 60 year loan, or even 40, what right have the council got to put the next two generations of Warringtonians into debt so they can play around with big piles of borrowed money in 2017?
  22. 2 points
    This woman is power tripping in the hope of turning her job as glorified county council mouthpiece into the leader of a European sub state. Her disdain for the UK is shamefully obsessive & an insult to popular democracy.
  23. 2 points
    On the bright side, with an independant scotland we can get rid of about fifty percent of the politicians now in parliament, thus saving on their wages, expenses and second home costs. we would not need HS2 to go as far so would save a few bob there as well. finally think of the boost to the building trade when we rebuild hadrian's wall across the whole of the border. personally can't see a downside.
  24. 1 point
  25. 1 point
    Too important to get lost in the archive. - Answers still needed. “Green Belt homes plan is madness” By David Skentelbery on 15th August 2017 7:00 am News, Village Life OUTRAGED councillors at Appleton say they are horrified at proposals to build more than 9,000 houses on Green Belt land in South Warrington. The plans will mean that all fields in Appleton will be built over, the character of Stretton and Appleton Thorn villages and the landscape of Higher Walton will be destroyed forever, they say. Cllr Judith Wheeler (pictured) said: “It is madness to destroy beautiful countryside with some of the highest landscape value in Warrington. “If the Green Belt has to go, it should be where the land is unattractive and has no amenity value and that means not all of south Warrington. “The town would be made poorer by the loss of this countryside. It is not just local people who love their area, many from across the town appreciate the green space on their doorstep. “Just take a walk, cycle or drive through the area and you realise that putting all our fields under concrete is criminal.” Cllr Wheeler says that with the exception of the Omega development, most of northern and eastern Warrington will be largely untouched by the plans. Yet the area is equally suitable and more sustainable. “The 2017 Government White Paper on Housing states that ‘maintaining existing strong protections for the Green Belt, and clarifying that Green Belt boundaries should be amended only in exceptional circumstances when local authorities can demonstrate that they have fully examined all other reasonable options for meeting their identified housing requirements’. “There are dozens of brownfield sites in Warrington that should be developed first before turning to other areas. “Fiddlers Ferry is a potentially vast area that could contribute to Warrington’s housing needs and this does not appear to have been considered in the council’s plans. “Regenerate the town centre, make it an attractive place to visit – it isn’t at the moment. “Build on the brownfield and then, if Warrington is still an employment boom town, needing more housing, move onto the greenfield sites, put the infrastructure in and we will accept our share of housing.” Cllr Wheeler says the council talks of a “garden city” – but says she has yet to meet anyone, anywhere in Warrington, who wants the town to become a city. “A prosperous and attractive town yes, a city no.”” Positron on 15th August 2017 9:03 am 9:03 am When city status is some councillors’ mindseye there is no limit to what they will do; regardless of the aims and objectives of the people who elected them and whose interests they are supposed to represent and put into effect. It is increasingly clear there is a world of difference between what the people of Warrington want and what their supposedly elected representatives say they should have. Barbara Kandu on 16th August 2017 7:18 am 7:18 am She may not have mean’t it to sound as such but Cllr Wheeler’s quote is the best example of a NIMBY yet; “most of northern and eastern Warrington will be largely untouched by the plans. Yet the area is equally suitable and more sustainable”. In other words build anywhere except Appleton. She is obviously blissfully unaware of the 1300 houses on Omega, 1900 on Chapelford, 155 on Dawson House, 100 on Lingley Mere, 99 on Gemini – I could go on. Sankey’s character has already been lost due to mass development and roads in the area are heavily congested so its perhaps time that Appleton and Stretton took some inevitable development. Sha on 16th August 2017 1:17 pm 1:17 pm Cllr Judith Wheeler is not being a ‘nimby’, she is a political careerist playing pathetic party-political point-scoring games and all this ‘horror’ and ‘outrage’ is just hypocritical. Cllr Wheeler and fellow SW Lib Dem councillor’s ‘campaign’, ‘HCA Rethink South Warrington’, now ‘Sustainable South Warrington’, misled local residents into believing that ‘previous permissions’ given to HCA meant that the developments couldn’t be stopped and that the best people could hope for was to ensure that adequate infrastructure was included. This is total rubbish! The ‘previous permissions’ have no bearing whatsoever on the present plans submitted. Councillor Wheeler’s arguments against the developments are merely political posturing. Note in the above article she says, “not all of South Warrington” and “put the infrastructure in and we will accept our share of housing”. Who is she referring to when she says ‘we’? her political comrades perhaps but certainly not the residents of South Warrington, the majority of whom don’t want to lose any green land to housing. And, why should we? The ridiculous housing targets put forward in the draft local plan are not ‘being forced upon us by central government’ as has been implied but are merely the result of local politicians (of all parties) ‘fantastical, aspirations’ for ‘New City status’. Cllr Wheeler says she “has yet to meet anyone, anywhere in Warrington, who wants the town to become a city”. Truthfully, that should have been ‘any member of the public’ – because she will certainly have met many councillors who do crave ‘New City status’. BARBARA, do not be taken in by wily politicians. This setting up of a North / South divide is a commonly used ‘divide and rule’ tactic, it is to try to prevent the various areas of the town uniting – because united we can easily get these horrendous housing targets scrapped. There is enough land, including brownfield and plots which already have permission, to meet Warrington’s needs for housing well into the future. The ridiculously high targets in the draft plan are not needed and are certainly not wanted by the people of Warrington – and we don’t need to accept them! Don’t be fooled into believing that the proposed developments are ‘inevitable’. No greenbelt /green fields need to be lost anywhere in our town. Wherever they are they are precious, not just to the people who live close to them but to everyone, they are the ‘breathing lungs’ of our town and our survival depends on them. Cllr Steve Parish on 17th August 2017 8:27 am 8:27 am There is some confusion here. Any aspiration for Warrington to be designated a city rather than a town is not a priority for most councillors. Providing housing is. There really is not that much brownfield land left. We bemoan the loss of major manufacturing in the town – but every former steelworks is covered with housing. But the government came up last year with promoting “garden villages, towns and cities” which would get special government support. Technically the proposed area at Appleton would be a “garden village” (under 10000 homes) but the concept of garden cities is a familiar one (Hampstead, Welwyn, Letchworth) that arose from the ideas of Ebenezer Howard (Ebenezer the garden city geezer) The council has resisted greenfield development (e.g. Peel Hall) but (a) we need more housing and (b) the law is on the developers’ side. I could point out that Cllr Wheeler’s party was in government when the planning system was shredded to encourage more development, particularly housing, so “the default answer to a planning application is yes”. Positron on 17th August 2017 6:09 pm 6:09 pm It has been evident for a long time Steve, that city status has been seen as a prize worth having in the minds of some, if perhaps not all on the Council. Hasn’t Terry O’Neill been reported as keenly seeking city status for the town? He has also been reported as saying, in the context of borough wide traffic congestion, something like “Not a single house will be built until the infrastructure problems are resolved”. Most reasonable people in Warrington recognise the need for more housing, particularly affordable and social housing, but those presently living here also know from their daily journeys that the town’s infrastructure, not the individual localised infrastructures for developments scattered across the borough, has been a pressing priority for several years (decades?). Why have successive administrations pressed ahead so long approving (and apparently encouraging as you say) development after development whilst paying at best scant regard for the infrastructure? Positron on 17th August 2017 8:52 pm 8:52 pm Having just read the Local Plan Consultation documents and followed that with a very brief examination of the website, I think you should seriously reconsider your assurance Steve that any aspiration for Warrington to be designated a city rather than a town is a low priority for most councillors. The website documents contains such phrases as “Overall approach – Warrington New City…Warrington Garden City Suburb” “..delivery of Warrington New City” But any doubts on this score are dispelled in this comment: “The Council believes planning for this [the preferred option] level of growth provides a unique opportunity for Warrington to make the transition from New Town to New City…”(sic) It seems this present administration like some of its predecessors has some questions to answer. Sha on 17th August 2017 11:16 pm 11:16 pm There is no confusion here CLLR STEVE PARISH, other than that which you are trying to cause. As POSITRON has pointed out, there is ample evidence that seeking ‘City Status’ is a priority for WBC – and supported by many councillors. Providing housing is a priority – but the housing proposed is not the type of housing needed by the people of Warrington. A quick look on Rightmove will show you that there are plenty of homes up for sale & rent – the problem is that the people who need homes can’t afford them. They will be far less able to afford the £500.000 + or the ‘affordable’ £400,000 homes proposed! This “garden village” will be nothing but a dormitory estate for newcomers who work elsewhere. Re the ‘concept’ of the garden village – the ‘New Towns’ were supposed to incorporate these ideals and we all know what an off-target, cock-up became of that! You say, “the council has resisted greenfield development, e.g. Peel Hall”. I’d say, resisted up to now because if this site had been given permission then the ‘housing target’ card couldn’t be played to try to get permission on the SW sites. Peel Hall can be back on the agenda – and the ‘affordable need’ card pulled out at any time in the future. As for your trite, “the law is on the developer’s side”. You are attempting to use this as a scare tactic and like Cllr Wheeler attempting to mislead people into thinking there is no option but to accept these developments. It won’t work! I suggest you study up on recent planning policy and research recent case histories. There is no reason why the housing need of Warrington people cannot be met without encroaching on green land. There is enough brown belt sites and sites for which developers already have planning permission but have been allowed to ‘land bank’. Why don’t you just be upfront and say the real reason all of you councillors – of all parties – are so desperate to promote the building of multi-thousands of band D housing to be built? Positron on 18th August 2017 7:57 am 7:57 am The affordable housing and social housing needs to be built within the environs of Warrington, not created by funding from developers in Warrington to assist Torus’ actions in neighbouring boroughs. Positron on 18th August 2017 2:09 pm 2:09 pm Where are you Cllr Steve Parish, we’re waiting for your reply? Cllr Steve Parish on 19th August 2017 11:45 pm 11:45 pm Reply to what? You seem to know better than councillors do what we want, even what we think. Councillors have little to do the calculations of housing need (because some councillors, mentioning no names or parties, would just say not in my ward). Anyway, talking about a “city” means nothing in terms of the local plan, and for those who want to know the government guidance, here you go: To boost significantly the supply of housing, local planning authorities should: •use their evidence base to ensure that their Local Plan meets the full, objectively assessed needs for market and affordable housing in the housing market area, as far as is consistent with the policies set out in this Framework, including identifying key sites which are critical to the delivery of the housing strategy over the plan period •identify and update annually a supply of specific deliverable1 sites sufficient to provide 5 years worth of housing against their housing requirements with an additional buffer of 5% (moved forward from later in the plan period) to ensure choice and competition in the market for land. Where there has been a record of persistent under delivery of housing, local planning authorities should increase the buffer to 20% (moved forward from later in the plan period) to provide a realistic prospect of achieving the planned supply and to ensure choice and competition in the market for land •identify a supply of specific, developable sites or broad locations for growth, for years 6-10 and, where possible, for years 11-15 •for market and affordable housing, illustrate the expected rate of housing delivery through a housing trajectory for the plan period and set out a housing implementation strategy for the full range of housing describing how they will maintain delivery of a five-year supply of housing land to meet their housing target •set out their own approach to housing density to reflect local circumstances. Sha on 20th August 2017 11:46 pm 11:46 pm CLLR STEVE PARISH. Are you for real? Do you seriously expect us to believe this twisted take on the truth? You say, “talking about a “city” means nothing in terms of the local plan,” so why is the housing target set so high? As you quoted; Govt guidance ……local planning authorities should: •set out their own approach to housing density to reflect local circumstances. Warrington does not have a ‘need’ for the amount of housing proposed and most certainly no ‘need’ for the type of housing proposed for Appleton, Stretton, Grappenhall. However, WBC’s ‘approach’ is not just to deal with housing need it is geared to mass expansion to progress their aspirations to turn Warrington into a city. Central Government is not forcing mass expansion on us, it is WBC who are attempting to do that! As for your saying “Councillors have little to do (with) the calculations of housing need”. I can well believe that! but I can’t think of any reasonable excuse why they should not! We would expect that our councillors should be keeping a close eye on how housing need is calculated -to ensure that the calculations truly ‘reflect local circumstances’ and not just the aspirations of developers and members of the executive board and council officers. We would expect them to effectively scrutinise decisions. We would expect them to ensure that the public are informed of all proposals for the town’s future and to ensure that effective, public consultations are held. We would expect them to be putting in some time and effort to work for the interests of the people they are paid to represent! However, they all seem to be backing the ‘mass expansion’ plans which the vast majority of the people oppose. Now, STEVE, without any more bull****, can you just answer the question, “WHAT IS THE REAL REASON all of you councillors – of all parties – are so desperate to promote the building of multi-thousands of band D housing?”
  26. 1 point
    Need a bigger car park for all the tourists who will come to the cinema and for all the council workers to park their cars.
  27. 1 point
    Next to the where the Friar Penketh pub has been built, directly opposite the old theatre there used to be a tiny pub. In that pub there were steps leading down to what you first might expect to be a cellar but was in fact the entrance to a tunnel. The tunnel was about 5ft high, 3ft wide with old wooden supports and about 6-8ft in was blocked off with planks of modern type wood, you could see through gaps in the planks that the tunnel went further. I saw it in the 70's. I don't find it difficult to believe that there could have been tunnels under the town at some stage, but I don't think that they would have been dug by Cromwell's men - when would they have had the time? and why would they dig them? They came here to fight not hide. Rumour has it, that there was a tunnel from the academy to the parish church. I think any tunnels would far predate these. I think it's more likely that there were tunnels from the friary and from the parish church site - where there has been some kind of a church since circa 650 - both leading to the old Motte castle. So, by using these tunnels one could get from the friary to the church. These could have been the routes to safety for the religious orders if ever the town was attacked. The old Motte castle would have been where everyone in the town would have fled to safety. As for construction, I doubt they were 'hewn from rock'. They could have been made simply by digging trenches. putting the framework in and filling in above with a foot or two of soil. The purpose of these tunnels would merely have been to get them, unseen and protected to the castle. There were probably other tunnels from the friary surfacing in different locations around the town, giving them alternative escape routes should the friary be raided. The religious orders would be obvious targets for raids, having valuable icons etc and during the persecutions, considering the brutal deaths they would suffer if caught, it would seem to me stupid of them not to have devised some form of escape routes.
  28. 1 point
    It makes a change to see somebody sticking to the good old fashioned methods instead of resorting to sneaky terrorist tactics. Say what you like about Kim jon um er whatever his name is, he is not afraid to make a target out of himself and his country by sticking to the tried and trusted methods of making as big a bomb as he can and threatening the very nation that invented the bloody thing in the first place. He is applying the same tactics as they do. if it is a threat to our country attack and blow up anything that moves regardless of what side they are on. He is also trying to prove that his country is just as prepared to defend itself by conventional atomic methods as by propelling bits of lead at high velocity towards the aggressor. most "1st world" countries have atomic capability and have at one time or another threatened to use them in anger, only America has actually done so which makes you wonder at times who to be more worried about the one who can just about get an atomic weapon to te remotest part of the US or th eones that can turn the world into a small radioactive cinder several times over.... (the film the mouse that roared springs to mind.) Today's society applaud people who stand up to bullies, which in his mind, is what he is doing just on a country scale as opposed to an individual scale.He is just trying to prove that he and his country is just as good as any other country. (it is very modern day thinking in a way, everybody else has got one so I want one).
  29. 1 point
    I see that the land on which the Cabinet Works stands is now due to be used to build flats. So, all back to normal then for Warrington. Maybe the council could take a picture of some kids in 'cultcha' t shirts in front of them once they're built. I would say the press release from the council that accompanies the announcement is a masterpiece of obfuscation, but it's really just a blatant example of how the council will proceed from now on. It's going to keep on building its flats, 'executive homes', business parks and out of town retail strips, but now they'll claim that they'll be built with regard to the town's heritage. And because the council equates talk with action, they'll genuinely believe it on some level.
  30. 1 point
    Hopefully if they do find whoever is responsible, they won't use that "restorative Justice" nonsense that is currently the topic of a news story on the main site. No, if they do find them, they should be made an example of and banged up for 10 years with no parole.... and that goes for anyone setting fires, thieving or attacking someone. About time the country woke up to the fact that this soft on criminals rubbish has bred a generation who have no respect for things that others care about and certainly no respect for the law or the consequences of their actions
  31. 1 point
    The bid document is irrelevant. You don't need that to realise that Warrington has been subject to years of cultural cleansing from the council. It hardly seems credible that months after the council tried to shut all of the town's libraries, turn down yet another chance to build a theatre and shrug when asked to find a site for a statue of Joseph Priestley, not to mention being named the least cultural place in the UK, it tried to enter this competition. I just hope that the council and local media are stung by this latest news and finally do something positive about culture in the town. Early indications are that this is the last thing that will happen. The council will continue to treat the whole place as a numbers game and the local media won't take them on about it. As ever, it will be down to local people to do and preserve what they can.
  32. 1 point
    I agree Baz, I think the "River of Life" shrine is morbid. I don't like the skittles either, or the new additions - the great lumps of marble, don't know what they are supposed to be - are they supposed to be flower pots? All of these look really out of place in Bridge St, I cringe at the sight of them and even more when I think of the money that must have been spent on them! Money, that I think would better have been spent on renovating the beautiful Victorian Buildings. - what a tourist attraction it could have been!
  33. 1 point
    Not sure i am cut out to be a king (or a queen for that matter). I could handle the hand waving bit but the smell of fresh paint would play hob with my sinuses. And that thing with the sword at the knighthoods. given some of the people who have received them i would be all to tempted slip a bit creating a whole troop of van gogh's. Think i would be more suited to the evil advisor or the grand vizier,sitting in the background scheming and imprisoning people in dark dungeons with a maniacal laugh. (wonder if the college does a course on grand viziiering).
  34. 1 point
    But do we really need it, video conferencing and the like can do away with the need for time consuming travel. Build a new line by all means to take freight but there is no need for it to have the ability to take high speed trains. Trains that can do 700mph so london to manchester in about forty minutes allowing for getting up to speed and then slowing down at the other end. (given the distance it would probably not get up to top speed before it needed to start slowing down again)
  35. 1 point
    Think your right in part Mid, in that they came up with some blunders destined to alienate the grey vote (dementia tax etc), plus the school meals one to alienate the Mums; none of which was required. However, I think most of the tactical voting went to Labour from the anti-Brexiteers, largely from the "I want it & I want it now" generation; who fell for the promises of goodies now, maybe pay later, if we can afford it, or just max out on credit until the debt catches up with us. But the rational behind a snap election was imo sound, in order to remove Remainers from Parliament, and allow the Brexit process to go ahead unimpeded. Sadly it hasn't worked that way, due to an inept campaign, and the PM's now up against more disruption to seeing Brexit through.
  36. 1 point
    The wording on the bus never said that £350 million a week would be spent on the NHS. That's just the sour grape bunch that have twisted things to suit their own argument What it actually said was "We send the EU £350million a week"...."Let's fund our NHS instead". No where does it say that £350million a week WOULD be spent on the NHS. Plus we are still paying into Europe AND they expect us to pay up to leave too so there isn't any £350million a week to be spent yet anyway
  37. 1 point
    Note the emotive language ("spewed"). CO2 is plant food not poison. In fact we could not survive without it, and actually we are at a CO2 low period historically, and when I say historically I'm talking about more than the last couple of thousand years. The earth has been here for a very long time, and judging climate on the evidence of such a short period is crackers. Now if you want to talk about toxic substances, take a look at the manufacturing processes for solar cells and wind power turbines, that may shock you!
  38. 1 point
    Perhaps 'local issues' would have been more appropriate but the post wouldn't have scanned, but micro issues; yes indeed, intentionally muddying the water with these specifically local issues during a General Election campaign is just a NuMilitant ruse to divert attention away from the total unsuitability of the doddering old communist they support for the role of Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I'm no fan of May and I'm also aware that she didn't back Brexit in the first place, but as the most hard nosed of the lot of them and with Article 50 triggered I think it's a case of right time right place for her.
  39. 1 point
    Another factor that may be at work is the last minute registering of over 2million on the electoral register. Unlikely to be grumpy Leave voters, so perhaps Jeremy's Red Guards are trawling the Universities to reel in the lefty luvvie vote, as they did with the Labour leadership vote !
  40. 1 point
    That whole 'it's the system' thing doesn't wash any more Geoff. Keane is in clear breach of the Nolan code of conduct and resents it being pointed out. 'The System' tells him how to behave even though it shouldn't have to, he's signed up to it on several occasions. Yet when it comes to it, he breaches it without hesitation. I'll say it again. He's unfit for public office and should be removed. What seems more likely is that he's about to appoint somebody else he knows as his chief of staff. There is no trust in politicians any more and the people to blame are the politicians themselves. Both chancers like Keane for what they do and people like you for justifying it.
  41. 1 point
    Over the years I've sailed and worked with Poles, Rumanians, Russians, Latvians, Lithuanians, French, Germans, Dutch, Spaniards, Nigerians, Ghanaians, Sierra Leonians, Brazilians, Somalians, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malaysians, Chinese, Filipinos and even Canadians and Australians. In all my time at sea sailing and working with all these different nationalities I have never had a problem with any of them that I wouldn't have had with someone who was British. In other words it's who you are, not where you come from.
  42. 1 point
    Hi Gill, Your great grandfather Thomas Brooks was my great great grandfather! He was born in Tattershall, Lincolnshire in 1866 before moving to Warrington. My Grandad, Bert Stanway, told me the names of his mother (Milly Brooks), her parents (Thomas & Frances Brooks) and her siblings (Ernest, Fred & Elsie Brooks), and I have since found more information. I found them all in the 1901 census, living on Forshaw Street, Warrington, and I found Thomas, Frances & Ernest Brooks in the 1891 census too, confirming Thomas Brooks had been born around 1866 in Tattershall. I also found Frances, her four Brooks children, her last husband, William Appleby and his daughter, living on Amelia Street, Warrington in the 1911 census, a few years ago, but like you, got stuck. I had known that Thomas Brooks must have died after the 1901 census and before 1909, when Frances Brooks married William Henry Appleby, but had been unable to find any record of a Thomas Brooks, having been born around 1866, dying in Warrington in this period, however. I then searched the BMD index for deaths in Lincolnshire, but the only death record between 1901 and 1911 for a Thomas Brooks who had been born within a few years of 1866 was for a “Thomas Carter Brooks” who died in the Sleaford district, Lincolnshire, aged 41 years in the 3rd quarter of 1907. Your Grandfather must have been Fred Brooks (1892-1964), my great great uncle, who I think lived at 72 Lilford Avenue. My great grandmother was his sister Milly (1896-1970). According to my grandparents, her father, Thomas Brooks, became seriously ill and left Warrington to recover where his family lived in Lincolnshire, where he later died. My grandparents told me my great grandmother Milly was sent to Lincolnshire on a train by herself to be with him when she was only seven, though they could have got confused and meant 1907. She stayed with an uncle Benjamin Brooks and his wife who lived in Billinghay. After her father died, they wanted to adopt her as they had no children of their own, but her mother, Frances, insisted she return to Warrington. My grandparents tell me they still have the letters all about this, between our distant uncle Benjamin Brooks and our ancestor Frances somewhere in their loft. They think Frances and her other children never went to Lincolnshire for Thomas Brooks' burial. With this information, I then searched for a Benjamin Brooks living in Billinghay around this time on the census records, and found a Benjamin Brooks living in Billinghay with his wife Mary Jane and no children in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses. Both censuses said he had been born around 1873/4 in North Kyme, Lincolnshire, and so I searched for him again, with this information, and found him living with his parents in North Kyme in 1881. However, there was no mention of a brother “Thomas Brooks” on this census. The census did say, however, that Benjamin did have a brother “Carter Brooks”, who had been born 14 years earlier (ie. c.1866) in Tattershall, Lincolnshire. Keeping in mind the only matching death record I found was for “Thomas Carter Brooks”, I then began to suspect that Carter Brooks and Thomas Brooks were one and the same. This was confirmed as there was no record of anyone named Carter Brooks after the 1881 census; From then on, Carter seems to disappear, at least until the death index entry for “Thomas Carter Brooks”. (Also, Billinghay is in the Sleaford registration district). Carter Brooks was baptised in Tattershall in 1866, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Brooks. His father Thomas Brooks was born in Ewerby, Lincolnshire, around 1836 and died in the Sleaford registration district in the 1st quarter of 1913, aged 76 years. In 1860, he married Elizabeth Brown, in the Gainsborough district. She had been born in c.1834, Fillingham, Lincolnshire. After her marriage, she moved from the Gainsborough district to the Sleaford district, where she died in the 2nd quarter of 1911, aged 76 years. According to the 1911 census, Thomas & Elizabeth Brooks had nine children, only four of whom were still living in 1911. The seven that I have found are listed as follows: 1. Jane Ann Elizabeth (1861-1889), 2. John Thomas (1864-1917), 3. Carter “Thomas” (1866-1907), 4. Willie (b.1868), 5. Annie (1871-1890), 6. Benjamin (1873-1944), and 7. George (b.1876). Thomas/Carter Brooks’ widow Frances married William Henry Appleby, a widower from Stoke in 1909, Warrington. According to the 1911 census they lived at 8 Amelia Street, Warrington with her children, Ernest (1889-1970), Fred (1892-1964), Milly (1896-1970) & Elsie Brooks (1898-1957), as well as his daughter Sarah Ann Appleby (1899-1972). Frances Appleby died, aged 77 years, in 1939, Warrington. On census records, her birthplace is given as Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, but I don’t know her maiden name or much else about her. I would be interested to know why you think her maiden name was Fanny Kinder? Uncle Ernie had one daughter Marian (1919-2012) who my grandparents saw quite a lot of. Her widower, Jim Taylor, died last year, aged 92. She never had any children; that’s why I assume uncle Fred Brooks was your grandfather. Elsie Brooks was a spinster who I think lived with my great grandparents, Milly & Richard Thomas Stanway (1898-1967). They had two sons, Eric Thomas Stanway who died as a baby in 1925, and Herbert Stanway (my grandad), born 7th April 1937. He had 4 children and 7 grandchildren. I hope you find this information helpful. My email address is aaronstanway@btinternet.com Cheers, Aaron
  43. 1 point
    Hi grey_man. If your luck is anything like mine , You will probably end up with Ingamar Johansson and not Scarlett !
  44. 1 point
    Seems Lord Howard has compared the Gib issue to the Falklands, and I suppose he's right. Perhaps a well publicised exercise in reinforcing the Rock would show the EU that we mean business, and show that ultimately, not all things are sorted out in the corridors of Brussels ?
  45. 1 point
    The problem is Dave, that the PC liberals balk at the oppression and suffering of the world's people, and commit us to interventions. Then the poor squaddies are sent out there with one hand tied behind their backs, with rules monitored by HR lawyers from the comfort of their offices. The fact is war itself is the crime, but if embarked on, it has to be total, and stuff and nonsense about rules, are merely an impediment to success and an added risk to our troops. We've got the same nonsense in every report from the BBC about "civilian casualties", often being used as shields by ISIS; as if there are such precision forms of weapons to avoid it. Bombs explode killing everyone in a given area, they don't choose between the good and the bad.
  46. 1 point
    I think if Sgt Blackman had been the injured party ,a Taliban chap coming across him would not have been as humane in dispatching him to his maker. The man was in a war zone in a kill or be killed situation.
  47. 1 point
    The problem is Dave, we're between the Devil and the deep blue sea: In order to stop these regular crisis of powerfull war lords (wholly corrupt politicians), from spending what GDP they have on civil wars, you basically have to intervene militarily, then politically to rectify matters; having tried in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm not sure there is any public support for that option. The alternative option would be to cease giving them aid, but as this would merely exacerbate the plight of the starving millions, I doubt we would want that either. So we're left with doling out public money to these countries to alleviate suffering, whilst in effect, it allows their corrupt Leaders to continue the strife.
  48. 1 point
    Hey Diz, you're on the ball this week! That funeral notice might be handy for Cas, gives a list of names of relatives, nephews / nieces with different surnames. Edwin must have had at least one sister to have a nephew called Jackson. It's amazing how the pieces come together when you do some research isn't it?
  49. 1 point
    Seems that Edwin Jnr then went on to become a Reverend .... The news clip about his death is too long to post in one image on here so wont be readable when uploaded due to viewing constraints so I'll have to crop it into sections tomorrow when I have more time (oops it;s almost 2am now....I get carried away) but it says he was.... A native of Southport and educated at Warrington Grammar School and St Bees College. Ordained at Liverpool First Curacy was at St. Polycarps, Everton He was then Curate at Biddulph for 7 and 1/2 years After 2 years as curate-in-charge at Meir he became Vicar of Buddulph where he remained for 15 years He was then appointed to Horton and held that position for 14 years He'd was the Vicar of Horton (near Leek). When Edwin Jnr died, aged 64, his wife was on holiday with their youngest son who was also a Vicar, (he was The Rev C B Wheeldon and was the Rector of Stretton in Rutlandshire) Strange to think that Edwin Snr who ran a pub and got fined for selling liquor without a license could have had a son who became a vicar and in turn a grandson too who also became a vicar..... Sorry Cas...I tend to get carried away looking and no doubt you have all that too. At least I'm making use of my Ancestry & FMP subscriptions again having now drawn a blank on going back any further with my own family research after years of looking ha ha. Mine are are a boring lot and a pain in the <you know where> at times ha ha
  50. 1 point
    Interesting news clip Cas. I wonder if they appealed and were successful or if they just paid their £5 fine? An online Historical Inflation Calculator shows that as being equivalent to £540 in today's money. It doesn't seem much really for selling without a license tut tut
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