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  1. 5 points
    TD... maybe there is proof, maybe there is hearsay.... there may well be no doubt that the likes of Saville are guilty of some abuse; however you have to balance what is fact over what is just people coming forward to give a made up account of something that never happened. Remember 9/11? Remember Tania Head? she was the woman who claimed to be a survivor of the Twin Towers collapse and then became the "leader" of the survivors group? She got there because people did not question enough before accepting what she was saying was fact.. There are people out there like the 9/11 woman, who love to say "they were there" that they too suffered... but in reality they are just attention seeking. Jimmy Saville (or whatever daft name Cleo wants to call him) is not here to defend himself against any of this and that is open season to claim to be a victim. The guy who has accused Lord McAlpine may well have been a resident in some childrens home but whether he was ever abused needs to be fully established before any names are made public otherwise the whole sorry saga will become a pointless sham with people going on Sky News to claim that some long dead celebrity abused them; just to get a few minutes of fame and to feed their sad egos.... and then of course you have the ones who will go on Sky News or Newsnight to claim that some famous person; still living, abused them and that then is a very dangerous path and will lead to peoples' lives and reputations being destroyed in an instant
  2. 4 points
    When asked the question, Are there too many immigrants in the UK? 7% said 'No' 27% said 'Yes' 66% said, 'I am not understanding question, please'
  3. 4 points
    yes........ but its Factual tripe you dont have to read it see the view counter gone as high as it can
  4. 4 points
    report it.... I couldn't live with myself if one of the residents died because I made the decision to not say anything
  5. 4 points
    Right, I've got the message too now having just given TEN - reds on this topic. So that's clearly the limit anyway. I'll report back sometime within the next 24 hours to say if/when my quota resets itself. That doesn't really explain yours though Wolfie but I'll see what I can find out although probably best that you can't give any anyway eh?
  6. 3 points
    Just about sums things up David Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Michel Barnier the membership secretary sees him. "Hello Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my office we can settle your account". "I have already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis.. "Ah yes Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that need settlement" In Mr Barnier’s office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr Davis" begins Mr Barnier, "you did agree to buy one of our Club Jackets". "Yes" agrees Mr Davis "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't received it yet". "As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a cheque for the full amount". "That will not be possible" explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets"! "But you still want me to pay for it" exclaims Mr Davis. "Yes" says Mr Barnier, "That will be £500 for the jacket. "There is also your bar bill". "But I've already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis. "Yes" says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly stocked".. "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming year". "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year".. "Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of course not Mr Davis". "You are no longer a club member!" says Mr Barnier. "Next is your restaurant bill" continues Mr Barnier. "In the same manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering suppliers". "Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year". "I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either" asks Mr Davis. "No, of course not" says an irritated Mr Barnier, "you are no longer a club member!" "Then of course" Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the clubhouse roof". "Clubhouse roof" exclaims Mr Davis, "What's that got to do with me?" "Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in next week", your share of the bill is £2000". "I see" says Mr Davis, "anything else?". "Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's pension". "We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension when he retires next month". "He's not well you know so I doubt we'll need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300 should do it". "This brings your total bill to £10,000" says Mr Barnier. "Let me get this straight" says Mr Davis, "you want me to pay £500 for a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I won't be allowed under and not being served by a bloke who's going to retire next month!" "Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable" says Mr Barnier. Now we understand what Brexit is all about.
  7. 3 points
    Sorry Geoff, I don't agree with you on this. The 'City for Peace' concept didn't work and I don't think a bid for 'City of Culture' will benefit from us being portrayed as a town in constant mourning. The bombing happened 20 years ago, isn't it time to move on? Other towns have been bombed or had terrible tragedy but they haven't made it a trademark. Manchester has recently had one of the biggest tragedies ever in the UK but they straight away organised another concert to restore confidence. Warrington's yearly bridge street vigils achieve nothing but to make people re-live the terror of that day and with what's going on in the world at present can only be a reminder as to how vulnerable we are. I feel sorry for the Parry's as everyone else in the town who remembers must, (as if we'll ever be able to forget), but the children of today need to be able to live unfettered from past misery and be allowed to grow up in an optimistic, joyful, forward-thinking atmosphere. Can we not just dump the doom & gloom and go for 'Opportunity and Optimism'? be a town where there are opportunities for all, (young & old & socially inclusive) where talent is nurtured and where life can be lived fully & joyfully. We already have good educational standards, integrated communities, the disability awareness project and recently the wonderful and much needed disability inclusive playground, etc. So why don't we just build on the positives we have? We need to increase and improve arts provision, (re-open the old art college?) build a theatre, increase and enhance our open spaces, provide good hospital & healthcare facilities and upgrade the transport system. (loads more to add to that list but it'll do for a start ) Instead of 'Warrington a Town Pledged to Peace' couldn't we be 'Warrington - Where Everyone's a Winner!'
  8. 3 points
    I agree Dizzy, Perth looks lovely, and makes me want to go there too! But, do any of you honestly believe that this competition really has anything at all to do with culture? In these days of 'fake austerity' it seems to me like nothing more than an excuse for pouring public money into developer's pockets. Check out how much previous contestants have spent on building 'cultural' venues in order to be a 'contestant', then check how many of these venues have become money draining white elephants only to lie empty or be converted to cheap offices etc. WBC has for years allowed its built heritage to be destroyed, have employed a 'regeneration officer' infamously renown for destroying precious roman heritage in Chester and wouldn't know what 'culture' was if it smacked them in the face. They have embarked upon a town centre regeneration programme that CABE actively criticized and refused to support, whilst the beautiful Victorian Bridge St which could have been the town's best tourist attraction has been left to rot. They have allowed a town centre nightlife of drugs, drink and violence to flourish, have allowed the ancient home of the first Lord of Warrington to be converted into yuppie apartments and but for mass public outrage would have sold off Walton Hall and Gardens to become a 'boutique hotel'. etc. etc. etc. Notably, they were recently voted worst in the country for culture. Yet despite all this I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were well placed in, or even won, this farce of a competition, because I think the real criteria is how much profit the contestants can generate for the developer friends of this greedy, materialistic government.
  9. 3 points
    So the EU are demanding we pay them billions to get out. They are demanding that all agreements are done BEFORE we start trade talks too and also want the rights of EU citizens living here to be all agreed and rubber stamped ..... and yet when we throw an ace into the ring, namely the fact that the EU rely very heavily on our security services and expertise, they cry in unison that that shouldn't be allowed??? Of course it should. Our security services are paid for by OUR taxes and is bugger all to do with the EU. If they want our info to keep them safe then they should bloody well pay for it and make concessions to keep that info flowing. If you negotiate, you negotiate with everything you've got. You don't agree to the other parties terms ad infinitum and then accept a few crumbs back.
  10. 3 points
    You're right, very often on this forum .
  11. 3 points
    Well, there was an interesting prog on TV about the Falklands War; and it seems it was a close run thing, a lot closer than we realised at the time. The only way to protect overseas interests, is to retain the ability to project air & sea power to the point of conflict, so making our servicemen redundant and not having a carrier, would seem rather irresponsible in respect of a rematch with the Argies. As for Maggie, as much as I may despise her; she was decisive (unlike most politicians), a trait required at the time of the War; and unlike Bliar Wars, a defence of British territory, not an invasion of others.
  12. 3 points
    Peter, I agree with you that reducing police numbers will certainly not help the problem but disagree that "following the HR issue to the letter".is making matters worse. You seem to have an aversion to Human Rights legislation but have you ever actually studied the Human Rights Act and European Convention on Human Rights? If you had you would have realised that the problems lie with either misinterpretation of the legislation or,as seems most often with regard to convicted prisoners, failure to correctly comply. One of the most basic rules is that you cannot grant human rights if in doing so it infringes the human rights of others. The rights of victims to crime have long been ignored, take for example the early release of perpetrators of violent attacks or indeed puedophiles who have, once released, attacked again. Here clearly the victim's "right to life" etc have been denied. If the police and other bodies were to address 'human rights' from the victim's point of view then the criminals wouldn't have so light a time of it - so why don't they? I seriously wonder whether it is mainly down to matters of finance. Also Peter, as for being "soft on crime" - I don't rate the present judicial system as being particularly 'just' in that some types of crime invoke penalties which seem far in excess for the actual crime whilst for some types of crime and some types of criminals there seems a reluctance to even investigate let alone prosecute and if - by force of public outcry - these elitist type of criminals ever get prosecuted then their sentencing is often the minimal possible - if anything. Does anyone seriously believe that Jimmy Savile could possibly have been able to carry out these terrible crimes over all those years without anyone knowing what was going on? Would anyone who did know be charged?
  13. 3 points
    And el moderators seem quite happy to allow him to peddal BNP agenda in the form of an obviously fake photo while at the same time repeatedly deleting the real photo I have posted here. Mmmmm.... Makes you wonder?
  14. 3 points
    Nope, if kids are out of control in the first place, behaviour patterns will have been established, regardless of legal liability.
  15. 3 points
    Went for a nice walk earlier with my samurai sword and a nice copper helped me across the road because he thought I was blind! How strange!!
  16. 3 points
    no sooner said than done one red on your post and worked fine one green on your post and the same. I put a red on your last post an got a -1 on it then a green on the post previous. the green still shows and the red has been cancelled out.
  17. 3 points
    That's a shame but crikey Wolfie you must have given a lot of red -'s in your time if you have somehow exceeded your quota. No idea what the quota is but maybe Gary can tell so we can laugh at you. I think there maybe a daily quota but you said you've not been able to do it for a year and that's not right surely. I think you may have a problem (with your username account I mean honest ) You're still top dog though
  18. 3 points
    See people still not changed on here still from the Hillsborough topic still have to have their childish little digs thought I would come back to give it a go but not for me Gary shame toting up as well 13 years been a pain in your side ...lol no wounder you have gone white well end of the day now mate
  19. 3 points
    ...and I would have got away with it too if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!!!
  20. 3 points
    Rod. You're being disingenuous because I've read the reports including the conclusions from the council that the benefits you seem so certain of are in fact far from certain. The pilots did not reduce casualties. They did reduce speeds but they were beginning to go back up. They did divert large numbers of vehicles onto other roads. The police did express concerns about enforcement and drivers acting aggressively when faced with what they considered inappropriate speeds. I also know that the DFT believes that reducing speeds will increase pollution and that the 20mph limit does not reduce speeds in and of itself. It needs to be enforced with other measures. So no changes to casualties in the Warrington pilots. No significant reduction in speed. Increased pollution. The creation of rat runs. All of the things, in fact, that have been reported from other councils. To be honest I wish you would now give up on making these claims and admit that this is solely about social engineering. I may even agree with you to some degree on that because I actually have more experience than you of living in a city with a fully integrated system of bike lanes, roads and public transport. I studied at University in Muenster in North Germany for two years where they have an incredible network that fully integrates all modes of transport. It was great but wouldn't be achievable in Warrington without flattening the place first and starting from scratch. It is my opinion that your campaign group has helped to cost this town hundreds of thousands of pounds it can ill afford on a scheme with no clear objectives and - at best - extremely questionable grounds for implementation. Based on the results of the council's own pilots, the only reason for this going ahead seems to be a dogma. The last thing we need is to reverse the decision now because that would just further deplete resources, but you have essentially diverted time and money away from more important and meaningful issues.
  21. 3 points
    The Government should not have allowed itself to be brow-beaten by a baying mob. Greggs and other similar firms have been exploiting a loophole for years and all the changes would have done was seal the loophole. Lots of other shops, who buy in their pasties and pies and then have to charge VAT because they heat them up were, and now, still are, at a disadvantage. Don't see why anyone should be confused. The situation remains as it was before. Hot takeaway food carries VAT, cold takeaway food doesn't. But if the food just happens to still be hot (because it has just come from the oven) then it is classed as cold takeaway food so is not subject to VAT. Incidentally, I can't be sure of this, but I suspect VAT on hot takeaway food was first brought in by a Labour Government. Even if I am wrong, the last Labour Government did not remove it so it is somewhat hypocritical of them to be braying about it now. It is also a load of rubbish to suggest the change would have hit the needy poor. If folk are that poor, they shouldn't be buying takeaway food at all but should be saving money by preparing their own food at home. Er...sorry, I forgot...most of them don't know how to these days.
  22. 2 points
    Seems M Macron has milked another £44million out of the UK Gov, to add to previous £millions being spent on security fencing and cameras, in and around Calais. Then to add insult to injury, asks that we take some of the illegal migrants dossing around France, having thrown in a sweetener that he will loan us the Bayeaux Tapestry. Whilst we may have a Parliament full of liberal bleeding hearts, isn't it time we had a Gov with some common sense ? The French have allowed illegal migrants to enter France and roam all the way to Calais, previously building camps; so why aren't they rounding up these "illegal" migrants and deporting them back to their country of origin ? Why isn't HMG doing the same with those that slip through the net into the UK ? HMG are responsible for protecting the territorial integrity of the UK, that's why we have an Army and Navy; but they've totally failed to defend our borders against this invasion for decades.
  23. 2 points
    I don't seem to be able to remember anything since I got one.
  24. 2 points
    that suggestion not only borders on the libellous but could be cause for a legal case to be brought against you for defamation of character unless you can provide some proof as to the validity of it. innocence until proven otherwise is the basis of the judicial system, even a murderer, if caught standing over the body with gun in hand and screaming they deserved it, can only be arrested under suspicion and is deemed innocent until convicted in a court of law. hence the term alleged being used all the time. alleged crimes are not proven crimes and "victims" coming forward in the press only prejudice any case against the alleged perpetrator as they would not get a "fair" trial in a court of law.
  25. 2 points
    Just watched the video on FB showing the little lad handing in the petition at the Town Hall to the Mayor. Firstly the Mayor wouldn't come out to take the petition, secondly he didn't even thank the little lad and finally he went off on some strange rant at Warrington Worldwides own Gary Skentlebury... I have to say, "Les, you were totally out of order, made yourself look a complete arse and a disgrace to your office... apologise now or clear off and let someone with some manners do the job" Rant Over
  26. 2 points
    Seems travelling by air is becoming an even more tiresome task, as "enhanced immigration checks" are causing even longer queuing times for Brit tourists in Europe. Meanwhile, thousands of illegal immigrants are entering the EU from Libya, where such "enhanced" checks may be more usefully employed.
  27. 2 points
    No doubt, the Remainers in the political establishment have tried to confound our leaving at every turn, and if allowed to succeed, will inflict a humiliating and costly compromise on the UK. OUT means, out of the single market (= no free movement). out of the customs union (= make our own trade deals), out of the ECoJ (= control of our own laws). Anything less would be a sell out of the wishes of the British people, as expressed in the referendum.
  28. 2 points
    Correct Davy, their every utterance shows them up to be the nasty dictators that they are. Whatever the consequences we're better off out.
  29. 2 points
    Geoff (and others) I don't know whether you're still interested but this is the video supporting Stoke's bid. http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/video-why-would-anyone-want-to-live-in-stoke-on-trent/story-30236025-detail/story.html?641 I wouldn't even say Stoke is favourite but you can see Warrington's problem. Not only is it an inferior candidate, all I've seen so far from WBC are some t-shirts, a couple of press releases and a competition to get kids and amateur artists to send some work in to be pinned up in the council's offices. You have to wonder whether anybody thought any of this through before spending time and money on it. This is not to say that Warrington isn't a great place in many ways, but you just know if the council came up with a promotional video, it would be like this.
  30. 2 points
    To quote Thatcher herself. : "Just rejoice at that news." Still you should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good. Margaret Thatcher is dead. Good.
  31. 2 points
    Only ONE language needed. ENGLISH!!!. Either learn it or don't come here. or return to the country whose language they can understand.
  32. 2 points
    I don't want to believe in reincarnation - after, all who wants to come back as a tin of cream?
  33. 2 points
    The west are handing the world over to these Islamic extremists on a plate tied up with a nice ribbon and in a few years time they will live to regret it!.
  34. 2 points
    as I posted elsewhere.... if criminals lost their rights to human rights until they have served their sentence there would not be such hostility towards the human rights act.... the problem is that the act is seen as a "criminals charter" and is so often seen as being used by criminals and terrorists to either escape justice, the effects of justice or the consequences of their crimes and deeds... A simple ammedment would stop all this nonsense of illegal immigrants being granted right to stay by citing the right to a family life.... even though in one case the said illegal immigrant had mown down and killed a young girl while the immigrant driving illegally.... therein lies the problem and the problem the general populous has with the HR act and the ECHR
  35. 2 points
    It seems now that Jimmy Savile was a good friend of Margaret Thatcher. Just when we thought his reputation couldnt get any worse..
  36. 2 points
    I didn't think you would and you probably wouldn't believe them anyway. But if your defence of her is to continually compare her with Blair and Brown then it proves how weak your argument is, because I agree with you that both of them were a disaster also. The only good thing Blair achieved was to get Labour in power and that's were it ended, because it then resulted in a government that was more Conservative than the Conservatives. A leader that tried to emulate Thatcher in everything he did and who also ended up ruining the country. BTW it's not my hate list..
  37. 2 points
    When you bring beer into the current concerns about what is in food then things have come full circle, Greenall's Bitter used to be called horse piss fifty years ago.
  38. 2 points
    Magistrates are to discuss raising the age of criminal responsibilty from 10 to 14 years old. That would mean that any child under 14 years would not have to face a magistrate or judge for any crime committed, including murder. Then if agreed they will approach Chris Grayling, the Justice Secretary, to ask him to get the age of responsibity raised. Kids know the difference between right and wrong by the time they are 10 years old. The number of times I threatened to report to the police kids of 7, 8, 9 and 10 for attempting to steal from my shop, for swearing and abusive language, for criminal damge etc., is unbelievable but the little thugs just laugh in your face and say, "Go on....Report me to the police, they can't do anything, I'm underage!" The magistrate appear to believe that not being taken to court for their crimes would prevent reoffending. Yeah right!
  39. 2 points
    The International community have asked the Israelis to stop building on the occupied lands, the Israelis just ignore them. . Because the international community have failed the Palestinians and they cannot buy arms on the open market, what are they supposed to do when Israel ignores the International community, doing nothing just makes the situation worse., As Israel are just changing the reality on the ground building settlements and moving the Palestinians off. Ass has happened already in East Jerusalem.
  40. 2 points
    Kije, have you no housework to do??? Stop being pedantic and stick to the topic. In the case of a child pushing another into the path of an oncoming vehicle, wouldn't that be on the driver? Due care and attention?
  41. 2 points
    He isn't confused, he is spot on, and you won't often find me agreeing with anything the observer says. Kids know the difference between right and wrong but the trouble is the lack of deterrents i.e. no punishments. So little thugs will grow up to be hardened criminals.
  42. 2 points
    Nobody is witch hunting. Witch hunting is going out specially to find witches. And nobody here is hunting anyone but commenting on those already named as being involved and evidence uncovered, whether you accept it or not Thomas. As for letting the authorities do their jobs, there is an abundance of recorded evidence that the authorities have not been doing their jobs but have been covering up and denying anything untowards was happening. Which is why paedophilia has thrived all over the uk. And no doubt the authorities would continue in the same vein had this all not been brought out into the public eye. There is even evidence that when in government Jack Straw introduced an act intended to silence anyone from claiming child abuse was/had occured. Even evidence that his own brother was involved with child abuse.
  43. 2 points
    32,342 posts today, 8 years. 11 posts a day constantly for 8 years Most of them bigoted, xenophobic, or vile in some way, that's when of course it's not a straight copy and paste with no actual accreditation to the original source. What a guy
  44. 2 points
    I got a letter from British Gas to say my bill was outstanding. So I wrote one back saying ' Thanks very much'
  45. 2 points
    You've not opened a can of worms at all Algy and it's kept us all occupied and out of trouble for a while
  46. 2 points
    Eagle..... try giving me a - red as mines just reset itself (sometime between me reaching my quota earlier and 10.58am real time)
  47. 2 points
    In my opinion, the 'old boys network' may have had a lot to do with why nothing was ever acted upon when rumours were heard and instances of assault were reported. Again, in my opinion, if the hierarchies at many corporate institutions included women in more equal numbers (purely on merit though,) these events might have had a different outcome.
  48. 2 points
    Yes.... If someone can get married, go to war and get shot, work and everything else, why shouldn't they vote? I mean aren't we being made to give votes to criminals in prison? Surely a law abiding 16 or 17 year old should have more say and more rights than any criminal
  49. 2 points
    Seems there were over 1.5 million people in London today to watch the flotilla of ships in the pageant plus all those who watched it at home.... Apparently there were also nearly 100 republican demonstrators there too.... I think Nick and Kije will have a long long long wait for their dream to become a reality!! :grin:
  50. 2 points
    You are young AAron? My guess is that you are. Let me tell you that life today is not nearly as hard as the lives of people post WWll. There were criminals in those days too of course but not nearly as many as today and when caught they were PUNISHED. The majority of the population did not go around robbing people, property, shops, or indulging in vandalism like today. As for petty criminals, for every crime committed there is a victim and the victims are getting sick and tired of the perpetrators of crime not being sufficiently punished to make them think twice about recommitting. Ok so kleptomania may be an illness and a kleptomaniac cannot control his/her impulse to steal but drug addiction is self induced and a vast amount of crime today is committed by addicts to fund their habit! I wonder what you would call a petty crime? Burglary? I was burgled twice within 6 months. Not content with stealing items I HAD PAID FOR, they made a complete mess by strewing things around in every room, which took me hours to clear up! The culprits were not caught but had they have been I would gladly have volunteered to beat them within an inch of their lives and made sure they never re-offended.
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