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  1. 5 points
    TD... maybe there is proof, maybe there is hearsay.... there may well be no doubt that the likes of Saville are guilty of some abuse; however you have to balance what is fact over what is just people coming forward to give a made up account of something that never happened. Remember 9/11? Remember Tania Head? she was the woman who claimed to be a survivor of the Twin Towers collapse and then became the "leader" of the survivors group? She got there because people did not question enough before accepting what she was saying was fact.. There are people out there like the 9/11 woman, who love to say "they were there" that they too suffered... but in reality they are just attention seeking. Jimmy Saville (or whatever daft name Cleo wants to call him) is not here to defend himself against any of this and that is open season to claim to be a victim. The guy who has accused Lord McAlpine may well have been a resident in some childrens home but whether he was ever abused needs to be fully established before any names are made public otherwise the whole sorry saga will become a pointless sham with people going on Sky News to claim that some long dead celebrity abused them; just to get a few minutes of fame and to feed their sad egos.... and then of course you have the ones who will go on Sky News or Newsnight to claim that some famous person; still living, abused them and that then is a very dangerous path and will lead to peoples' lives and reputations being destroyed in an instant
  2. 4 points
    When asked the question, Are there too many immigrants in the UK? 7% said 'No' 27% said 'Yes' 66% said, 'I am not understanding question, please'
  3. 4 points
    yes........ but its Factual tripe you dont have to read it see the view counter gone as high as it can
  4. 4 points
    report it.... I couldn't live with myself if one of the residents died because I made the decision to not say anything
  5. 4 points
    Right, I've got the message too now having just given TEN - reds on this topic. So that's clearly the limit anyway. I'll report back sometime within the next 24 hours to say if/when my quota resets itself. That doesn't really explain yours though Wolfie but I'll see what I can find out although probably best that you can't give any anyway eh?
  6. 3 points
    Sorry Geoff, I don't agree with you on this. The 'City for Peace' concept didn't work and I don't think a bid for 'City of Culture' will benefit from us being portrayed as a town in constant mourning. The bombing happened 20 years ago, isn't it time to move on? Other towns have been bombed or had terrible tragedy but they haven't made it a trademark. Manchester has recently had one of the biggest tragedies ever in the UK but they straight away organised another concert to restore confidence. Warrington's yearly bridge street vigils achieve nothing but to make people re-live the terror of that day and with what's going on in the world at present can only be a reminder as to how vulnerable we are. I feel sorry for the Parry's as everyone else in the town who remembers must, (as if we'll ever be able to forget), but the children of today need to be able to live unfettered from past misery and be allowed to grow up in an optimistic, joyful, forward-thinking atmosphere. Can we not just dump the doom & gloom and go for 'Opportunity and Optimism'? be a town where there are opportunities for all, (young & old & socially inclusive) where talent is nurtured and where life can be lived fully & joyfully. We already have good educational standards, integrated communities, the disability awareness project and recently the wonderful and much needed disability inclusive playground, etc. So why don't we just build on the positives we have? We need to increase and improve arts provision, (re-open the old art college?) build a theatre, increase and enhance our open spaces, provide good hospital & healthcare facilities and upgrade the transport system. (loads more to add to that list but it'll do for a start ) Instead of 'Warrington a Town Pledged to Peace' couldn't we be 'Warrington - Where Everyone's a Winner!'
  7. 3 points
    I agree Dizzy, Perth looks lovely, and makes me want to go there too! But, do any of you honestly believe that this competition really has anything at all to do with culture? In these days of 'fake austerity' it seems to me like nothing more than an excuse for pouring public money into developer's pockets. Check out how much previous contestants have spent on building 'cultural' venues in order to be a 'contestant', then check how many of these venues have become money draining white elephants only to lie empty or be converted to cheap offices etc. WBC has for years allowed its built heritage to be destroyed, have employed a 'regeneration officer' infamously renown for destroying precious roman heritage in Chester and wouldn't know what 'culture' was if it smacked them in the face. They have embarked upon a town centre regeneration programme that CABE actively criticized and refused to support, whilst the beautiful Victorian Bridge St which could have been the town's best tourist attraction has been left to rot. They have allowed a town centre nightlife of drugs, drink and violence to flourish, have allowed the ancient home of the first Lord of Warrington to be converted into yuppie apartments and but for mass public outrage would have sold off Walton Hall and Gardens to become a 'boutique hotel'. etc. etc. etc. Notably, they were recently voted worst in the country for culture. Yet despite all this I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were well placed in, or even won, this farce of a competition, because I think the real criteria is how much profit the contestants can generate for the developer friends of this greedy, materialistic government.
  8. 3 points
    So the EU are demanding we pay them billions to get out. They are demanding that all agreements are done BEFORE we start trade talks too and also want the rights of EU citizens living here to be all agreed and rubber stamped ..... and yet when we throw an ace into the ring, namely the fact that the EU rely very heavily on our security services and expertise, they cry in unison that that shouldn't be allowed??? Of course it should. Our security services are paid for by OUR taxes and is bugger all to do with the EU. If they want our info to keep them safe then they should bloody well pay for it and make concessions to keep that info flowing. If you negotiate, you negotiate with everything you've got. You don't agree to the other parties terms ad infinitum and then accept a few crumbs back.
  9. 3 points
    You're right, very often on this forum .
  10. 3 points
    Well, there was an interesting prog on TV about the Falklands War; and it seems it was a close run thing, a lot closer than we realised at the time. The only way to protect overseas interests, is to retain the ability to project air & sea power to the point of conflict, so making our servicemen redundant and not having a carrier, would seem rather irresponsible in respect of a rematch with the Argies. As for Maggie, as much as I may despise her; she was decisive (unlike most politicians), a trait required at the time of the War; and unlike Bliar Wars, a defence of British territory, not an invasion of others.
  11. 3 points
    Peter, I agree with you that reducing police numbers will certainly not help the problem but disagree that "following the HR issue to the letter".is making matters worse. You seem to have an aversion to Human Rights legislation but have you ever actually studied the Human Rights Act and European Convention on Human Rights? If you had you would have realised that the problems lie with either misinterpretation of the legislation or,as seems most often with regard to convicted prisoners, failure to correctly comply. One of the most basic rules is that you cannot grant human rights if in doing so it infringes the human rights of others. The rights of victims to crime have long been ignored, take for example the early release of perpetrators of violent attacks or indeed puedophiles who have, once released, attacked again. Here clearly the victim's "right to life" etc have been denied. If the police and other bodies were to address 'human rights' from the victim's point of view then the criminals wouldn't have so light a time of it - so why don't they? I seriously wonder whether it is mainly down to matters of finance. Also Peter, as for being "soft on crime" - I don't rate the present judicial system as being particularly 'just' in that some types of crime invoke penalties which seem far in excess for the actual crime whilst for some types of crime and some types of criminals there seems a reluctance to even investigate let alone prosecute and if - by force of public outcry - these elitist type of criminals ever get prosecuted then their sentencing is often the minimal possible - if anything. Does anyone seriously believe that Jimmy Savile could possibly have been able to carry out these terrible crimes over all those years without anyone knowing what was going on? Would anyone who did know be charged?
  12. 3 points
    And el moderators seem quite happy to allow him to peddal BNP agenda in the form of an obviously fake photo while at the same time repeatedly deleting the real photo I have posted here. Mmmmm.... Makes you wonder?
  13. 3 points
    Nope, if kids are out of control in the first place, behaviour patterns will have been established, regardless of legal liability.
  14. 3 points
    Went for a nice walk earlier with my samurai sword and a nice copper helped me across the road because he thought I was blind! How strange!!
  15. 3 points
    no sooner said than done one red on your post and worked fine one green on your post and the same. I put a red on your last post an got a -1 on it then a green on the post previous. the green still shows and the red has been cancelled out.
  16. 3 points
    That's a shame but crikey Wolfie you must have given a lot of red -'s in your time if you have somehow exceeded your quota. No idea what the quota is but maybe Gary can tell so we can laugh at you. I think there maybe a daily quota but you said you've not been able to do it for a year and that's not right surely. I think you may have a problem (with your username account I mean honest ) You're still top dog though
  17. 3 points
    See people still not changed on here still from the Hillsborough topic still have to have their childish little digs thought I would come back to give it a go but not for me Gary shame toting up as well 13 years been a pain in your side ...lol no wounder you have gone white well end of the day now mate
  18. 3 points
    ...and I would have got away with it too if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!!!
  19. 3 points
    Rod. You're being disingenuous because I've read the reports including the conclusions from the council that the benefits you seem so certain of are in fact far from certain. The pilots did not reduce casualties. They did reduce speeds but they were beginning to go back up. They did divert large numbers of vehicles onto other roads. The police did express concerns about enforcement and drivers acting aggressively when faced with what they considered inappropriate speeds. I also know that the DFT believes that reducing speeds will increase pollution and that the 20mph limit does not reduce speeds in and of itself. It needs to be enforced with other measures. So no changes to casualties in the Warrington pilots. No significant reduction in speed. Increased pollution. The creation of rat runs. All of the things, in fact, that have been reported from other councils. To be honest I wish you would now give up on making these claims and admit that this is solely about social engineering. I may even agree with you to some degree on that because I actually have more experience than you of living in a city with a fully integrated system of bike lanes, roads and public transport. I studied at University in Muenster in North Germany for two years where they have an incredible network that fully integrates all modes of transport. It was great but wouldn't be achievable in Warrington without flattening the place first and starting from scratch. It is my opinion that your campaign group has helped to cost this town hundreds of thousands of pounds it can ill afford on a scheme with no clear objectives and - at best - extremely questionable grounds for implementation. Based on the results of the council's own pilots, the only reason for this going ahead seems to be a dogma. The last thing we need is to reverse the decision now because that would just further deplete resources, but you have essentially diverted time and money away from more important and meaningful issues.
  20. 3 points
    The Government should not have allowed itself to be brow-beaten by a baying mob. Greggs and other similar firms have been exploiting a loophole for years and all the changes would have done was seal the loophole. Lots of other shops, who buy in their pasties and pies and then have to charge VAT because they heat them up were, and now, still are, at a disadvantage. Don't see why anyone should be confused. The situation remains as it was before. Hot takeaway food carries VAT, cold takeaway food doesn't. But if the food just happens to still be hot (because it has just come from the oven) then it is classed as cold takeaway food so is not subject to VAT. Incidentally, I can't be sure of this, but I suspect VAT on hot takeaway food was first brought in by a Labour Government. Even if I am wrong, the last Labour Government did not remove it so it is somewhat hypocritical of them to be braying about it now. It is also a load of rubbish to suggest the change would have hit the needy poor. If folk are that poor, they shouldn't be buying takeaway food at all but should be saving money by preparing their own food at home. Er...sorry, I forgot...most of them don't know how to these days.
  21. 2 points
    So we are all ok with a time travelling, self regenerating, immortal alien zooming about in a phonebox yet we struggle with a woman playing it, have a look at yourself or better still jump in the tardis and whizz back a few centuries to where you belong.. The very notion of a female doctor this day and age indeed
  22. 2 points
    The thing is Gary, Warrington isn't. And not just by a little. It's a million miles behind even a city like Stoke, with all its challenges. Until the local media and council identify and accept that, nothing will change. As I said before, even a small town like Newcastle under Lyme has more to offer than Warrington. The town is a cultural backwater and it's only been the action of residents standing up to the council that has ensured Warrington has something left to offer culturally, however little. How many RSA reports and rejections do you need to see things for what they are? If the council had its way, there'd be no libraries and no Walton Hall for a start. It's only residents and local groups that ensure there are any green spaces and cultural life at all. The council's vision is purely shit housing estates, out of town retail and business parks with everybody moving between them in cars on inadequate roads. No amount of sloganeering from the council and well-meaning but deluded councillors like Dan Price is going to cover that. I hope the council wakes up soon and people like you start to put real pressure on them instead of making statements like this. Until then, it's up to the people to preserve whatever culture and heritage the town has.
  23. 2 points
    Both my son and his wife went to University at the same time. They are both now in their early 30's (They were childhood sweethearts ) they both have since gained good jobs based on their degrees. Both are paying back their student loans (My son maxxed his out because he saw it as free money) and they also own their own house and are looking to move in the next few years. Student debt isn't as ominous as it sounds if the course the student is taking is likely to reap benefits in the future and the government will get money back as long as the degree course doesn't lead to a job paying minimum wage. Can't really see what the fuss is to be honest My youngest son has just left school at 16 and is looking at college with a view to going to uni
  24. 2 points
    I see that PCC David Keane (Penketh and Cuerdley LAB) has appointed as his new Deputy Sareda Dirir, the daughter of Allin Dirir (Penketh and Cuerdley LAB) and Linda Dirir (Penketh and Cuerdley LAB). Even though her interview by the Police and Crime Panel confirmed she is far from an ideal candidate, to put it mildly. You can see it here. https://cheshirewestandchester.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/272335 If any politicians want to know why they are held in such generally low regard, here is the reason.
  25. 2 points
    Apparently an Imam in Rochdale has asked the authorities for protection for Muslims. Surely it's in the hands of the Muslim communities to weed out the nutjob elements amongst them and hand them over to the police.
  26. 2 points
    Apart from anything, I question the morality of lumbering the town with a 60 year loan, or even 40, what right have the council got to put the next two generations of Warringtonians into debt so they can play around with big piles of borrowed money in 2017?
  27. 2 points
    First half was nip and tuck. Fowler could and should have scored, but at the same time, dibble saved two 1on1's. Henders was unmarked at the back for his first and looked similar for the second although I was a lot further away for that one. They also hit the bar. Henders aagin I think We gave a good show in the 1st half but didnt come out for the second with the same desire although headlong into a biting wind didnt help the long punt out. We have shown this year (skem away) that we have the talent. We just dont do it often enough. I agree we need to keep the bulk of who we have, but we are lacking perhaps a strong midfielder who can control the middle of the park and arguably pace. Lets finish the year off with a flourish and start next season with not just an eye on the play offs but how about wining the league?
  28. 2 points
    That's terrible Baz - your family has my full sympathy. The compensation culture has gone too far but if anyone deserves substantial financial recompense I would say it sounds as if they do. Not that any amount of money can make up for such a tragedy - admitting the fault would, I imagine, be more important but the money would underline the fact that your relatives have suffered, there was fault and it is acknowledged that that is the case.
  29. 2 points
    Does the Pope receive his salary through PayPal.
  30. 2 points
    When you bring beer into the current concerns about what is in food then things have come full circle, Greenall's Bitter used to be called horse piss fifty years ago.
  31. 2 points
    Exactly, and unlike 1940, we didn't lift a finger to stop it.
  32. 2 points
    Suppose it depends how much it costs, really: None of welfare-to-work scheme's 18 contractors reached target of getting 5.5% of clients a job for at least six months A4e's got a contract of around £438m, and they've got about 490 people in to long term jobs (ie >6 months): I'd like to think there's better ways of spending that kind of money. Oh, and if 5.5% is ambitious enough, it begs the question if it's a contract worth negotiating.
  33. 2 points
    Disagree Baz, I'm probably more in tune with New Statesman readers who "...in 2006...voted him sixth on their list of "Heroes of our time" {Wiki). A highly principled and brave man, imo.
  34. 2 points
    please, I know he posts a mountain of posts, but at some point, decency surely means he has to be banned?
  35. 2 points
    simple statement "career politicians" Nuff said?
  36. 2 points
    As I have said a few times before - civilization corrupts from within.
  37. 2 points
    And Cleo you are British by birth my love and nothing can ever change that, don't forget there is nothing wrong with the country it's a green and beautiful island, it's only the idiots that are running it that ruin it, whatever political party.
  38. 2 points
    Cos you've spent all the money on this folly of a 20mph limit nonsense.... 7 or 800 grand to achieve a miniscule reduction in average speed limits and all because some lycra clad cycle mob think that roads should be shared spaces used by pedestrians and bikes as well as cars.... ignoring the fact that there are cycle lanes almost everywhere that none of them will use. When I was a kid, my mum and dad taught me some sense and told me not to walk in the road but to use the footpaths.... but that's another story!
  39. 2 points
    Sorry peter my mistake I thought this was a forum sorry I thought you could talk about a topic on here no matter if its paste tax or anything like that unless people know what’s going on how can they debate but you want banter that’s ok just don’t call it a forum. Not getting at you peter but you want childish remarks all the time its no wonder not many poster stay.
  40. 2 points
    I am deeply touched and moved to tears by what tara suffered at the hands of that beast. And she is just one of any number of kids who suffer the same ordeal. The beasts should be physically casterated so they are unable to do the same things to any other child. I do wish that she could put her ordeal to the back of her mind and pick up her life from where she left off. Perhaps with some help she could do that?
  41. 2 points
    Eagle..... try giving me a - red as mines just reset itself (sometime between me reaching my quota earlier and 10.58am real time)
  42. 2 points
    It was discussed on the old board but not this one which has only been active for nearly FIVE years.
  43. 2 points
    I understand what your saying about him Baz J that’s not the point in my eyes ….. it is why did it go on……….. and who let it go on……..why was it aloud to go on ……..how can this be stopped from ever happing again ……god for bid that any parent of a child has to find out things happened to there child like this …….. who can put a cost on this …..we all helped to pay for his life style from our TV licences fee so I for one would like to make sure this never happens again…….as pointed out on here one teenager killed her self because no one would listen well I hope for her now I will listen now and i hope others will …..within three weeks all this as come out and its all the way to the top of the news.. But yet he abused is power from 59 till 2012 but all we can say its what’s the point he is dead sound to me we are heading back into the 60s again By the way Baz J its not the way the topic s was going or the replies to the topic... you can say what’s the point..... I do agree with you on some parts of this but its when it get personal or just putting remarks on its not only you mate I am keeping away from personal banter on this topic
  44. 2 points
    Follow this recipe to make a cheap, but surprisingly tender, pigeon pie. First, get some breadcrumbs and a rolling pin. Then, take the breadcrumbs and rolling pin to Golden Square bakers shop.......
  45. 2 points
    That only leaves 3,391 to go alg. :wink:
  46. 2 points
    Good. I don't remember them paying back all the money which was poured into their rebuilding programme after their last little attempt to dominate Europe.
  47. 2 points
    Fortunately the people who love the queen and royal family far outnumber the anti-royalists.
  48. 2 points
    If vehicles parked on private land can be clamped or towed away, why not caravans and transit vans full of 'questionable' stuff. I'd impound and crush the lot. Let them be "travellers" on foot!
  49. 2 points
    "Brainwashed"?! Surely any "believer" has been "brainwashed", if they take such nonesense seriously. If kids were brought up with a secular education, they may develope enquiring minds and question everything with scientific rigour. btw, it could have been worse, they could have used the books as toilet paper!
  50. 2 points
    Cleo, what I am about to say is not a loaded question and if you could explain to me in simple terms because after all I am a simple man, I realise it may be difficult because to most people religion is a personal and emotive subject, think of any book whether it is the Holy Bible, Qu'ran or the 5 books of the Torah, with printed or written words and images in ink contained on its paper pages, why is it so terrible to burn that book, it has no historical or intrinsic value unless it is very ancient, then it may become a rare object, it is just made of paper and cardboard, burning only destroys the paper it does not destroy the meaning of the words that had been displayed on that paper, so where is the crime in burning any unwanted book. (no emoticons here).
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