observer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 According to an LSE study, there seems to be a direct correlation between those areas voting Leave or Remain, and their post-Brexit fortunes (if it ever happens). Remain voting areas will be worse off, while Leave areas will be less effected. Perhaps that's why they instinctively voted the way they did ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 or it could be that the leavers were fed up with having to follow every EU edict to the letter whilst the french just say NON and blockade the ports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 "Perhaps that's why they instinctively voted the way they did?" Well, Professor Overman doesn't go as far as to say that, but what he does make clear is that a soft Brexit will be better than a hard one for all of us. Here's the study for anyone who's interested: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/07/27/cep-study-the-uk-areas-that-will-be-hit-most-and-least-by-brexit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 A soft Brexit really isn't a Brexit at all & will end up with Remainers pulling the strings until the UK is once more a full member of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 No such thing as a "soft Brexit": being in the single market, in the customs union and the ECoJ; means we're still in the EU, still with financial commitments, free movement and no political input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Pretty much as we are at the moment then obs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 "Soft" Brexit means staying in the EU under worse terms than we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 18 hours ago, observer said: No such thing as a "soft Brexit": being in the single market, in the customs union and the ECoJ; means we're still in the EU, still with financial commitments, free movement and no political input. No such thing as a "soft Brexit". You better go tell that to our crack team of negotiators 'cos it looks like that's the way they're heading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 No doubt, the Remainers in the political establishment have tried to confound our leaving at every turn, and if allowed to succeed, will inflict a humiliating and costly compromise on the UK. OUT means, out of the single market (= no free movement). out of the customs union (= make our own trade deals), out of the ECoJ (= control of our own laws). Anything less would be a sell out of the wishes of the British people, as expressed in the referendum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Correct Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Keep seeing articles about the plight of EU migrants in the UK, post-Brexit. But if things in the UK are going to get so bad, post-Brexit, as the Remoaners claim; why are these migrants gagging to stay here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 They're not: https://www.ft.com/content/81b25aa0-4129-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Are you getting paid to advertise the FT Fugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Perhaps they are being frightened by some of the programmes being broadcast by the rainbow coloured BBC. I too hope that what is being transmitted will not become compulsory in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 3 hours ago, asperity said: Are you getting paid to advertise the FT Fugs? Oops, try it from the first link here: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=Net+migration+falls+by+a+quarter+as+EU+citizens+leave+UK&spf=1501616419616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 5 hours ago, fugtifino said: They're not: https://www.ft.com/content/81b25aa0-4129-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2 In which case, what's the problem about them having "rights"; don't think over 3 million have joined the ranks of the unemployed in their own country yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Well if all these EU citizens are going home they must have jobs in their home countries to go to, unless they've amassed enough money in this country to retire in their own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 I really don't see what the problem is. If we sort out a system similar to that in Australia whereby we only allow people in that we need, how can there be an issue? If we need farm workers, we up the quota on Farm workers. If we don't, we lower the quota. Australia's system is fluid so reacts to the countries needs and expected needs. What we certainly don't need are masses of unskilled workers arriving to undercut the wages paid for a specific job that previously commanded a higher wage which has been happening (and accepted as fact by both Labour and the Tories) in the past. I fail to see how anyone can justify bringing in low skilled or no skilled workers when we have even one person here who can do the job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Alas common sense isn't a virtue of the EU Baz; it appears the relevant Treaty demands the free movement of people, when the intent was probably the free movement of labour. The latter implies that migrants have a job to come to. But it's all part of the Brussels master plan for a single European State, where faceless Brussels burocrats dictate to National Governments, as they are now doing with Poland. But your right, a managed immigration system would allow in required labour, for a required period on the basis of a time limited work visa - simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 The problem is that governments don't do "simple". They like to have complicated systems and procedures so that they can justify growing their little empires and get an increased share of the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 We are hearing lately about the border between Ulster & Eire. If both parts of Ireland are happy with a soft border wouldn't the solution be to put the hard border between the mainland & Ireland with unrestricted movement for citizens from the north & passport entry for the southern Irish ? That sound pretty simple too me ,or is it a really complicated issue ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Again, it's a simple issue, made complicated by those wishing to scotch Brexit. A special customs union arrangement could be arranged, like the one the EU has with Turkey (not in the EU). The complication arises with free movement of migrants, with the EU allowing the whole of Africa in, they may enter the UK via Eire rather than Calais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Allowing migrants to assault the UK through Eire has always been an option, just that none of the seekers of new lives have tried that method. Meanwhile ,the latest odious , little creep to lead the Lib Dems has blamed pensioners & old people for not giving the result he wanted, saying we are stuck with the outdated idea of British sovereignty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Perhaps, like many career politicians, Vince is annoyed at the triumph of wisdom and common sense, over naivity and gullibility. btw: the latest research indicates the £350million per week cost to the UK of EU membership, as stated by the vote leave campaign, was the correct figure. To be precise, less the rebate and EU spending we don't control, it's actually £250million per week.net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Seems Mr Junkers and Co, have been spending our money wisely - on air taxis and top hotels, costing £500,000 over 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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