observer Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 We have a LP Leader elected by a majority of the LP membership; being told to resign, by a minority of the LP membership (the PLP). So who should go? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 The Labour Party really does have a constitutional crisis & a monumental dilemma. Should Jezza risk running out of experienced front benchers or should the sane MPs tear up the rule book & kick him out as a liability? Either option could blow the party wide open & make it unelectable for years to come. Maybe a rebranding exercise would be in order. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Maybe a rebranding exercise would be in order. New, New Labour perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Of course Paul. What i can't understand is that Jezza is a real throwback to the days of militant & reds under the bed & yet he manages to draw so much support from the "working man" when his policies were not even close to the lot of working people in 2016. The days of flat caps,pigeons & greyhounds are not so relevant these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Think we're now being made fully aware of the antics of "new Labour" with the Chilcott Report ! Hopefully the residual tribal support for Labour has now gone with their pathetic response to immigration in the EU debate; so the "flat caps" will have to move to UKIP, if they want someone to speak for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Whilst Jezz may not have the charisma usually associated with leadership; I guess he's a perfectly decent chap (which may be the problem!), even if his style may be reminiscent of Gandhi. But for Eagle, to criticize his lack of leadership qualities, when hers are clearly nil; makes the whole contest a rather absurd luxury at a time when political Parties should be offering their visions of the future of the UK, then putting them to the electorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 My nephew posted this on facebook.... sort of sums it up well enough!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 It looks like the latest challenger, Owen Smith ,could be on the right lines to oust JC by appealing to the grass roots membership with socialist policies. The country needs an effective opposition to temper the excesses of the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 It looks like the latest challenger, Owen Smith ,could be on the right lines to oust JC by appealing to the grass roots membership with socialist policies. The country needs an effective opposition to temper the excesses of the government. As opposed to Jeremy Corby's erm...... socialist policies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 But JC doesn't seem to have the support of his MPs ,perhaps Owen Smith could unite MPs & members of the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 And Owen Smith doesn't seem to have the support of the membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Perhaps this coup could turn a small lead in the polls for Labour into a 16 point lead for the Tories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Doesn't really matter who leads the Labour Party now, as they've well and truly lost their traditional support north of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 All government spend excessively on stuff that the vast majority of folks can't understand.... that's what Governments do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 We've had a referendum, that unintentionally, has provided a political health audit of the Nation. Any Party with a grain of rationality would be analyzing the result in terms of demography, geography etc; and applying themselves to policies that meet identified needs, rather than pursuing their old dogmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 We've had a referendum, that unintentionally, has provided a political health audit of the Nation. Any Party with a grain of rationality would be analyzing the result in terms of demography, geography etc; and applying themselves to policies that meet identified needs, rather than pursuing their old dogmas. Not sure they are intelligent enough to do that Observer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Sadly because the nature of politics is for minorities to attempt to inflict their dogmas on the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Sadly because the nature of politics is for minorities to attempt to inflict their dogmas on the majority. Like this forum then ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 With you as the minority !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Labour have got a problem... a few hundred thousand people voting Corbyn in as leader isn't going to win them an election... why would anyone in the wider electorate be convinced to vote into power someone who can't even form a complete cabinet.? Of course the next logical step for all this is for Corbyn to be elected leader, the Labour party members to deselect all the "rebel" MP's (which lets face it, is most of them) and then select Corbynite candidates to stand at the election.... which the vast majority of voters won't entertain. Then you'll get another "new Labour" party forming which will split the vote even further Corbyn was selected and elected by a majority of labour members and it is sad to see him being attacked, but frankly political party's are there to win elections and to have a mandate to carry out their policies and with Corbyn in charge, I just can't see that happening Things don't look good for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Labour won't get elected in any case, because of their weak stance on immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Labour won't get elected in any case, because of their weak stance on immigration. but like any party, they just have to say they will do something about it and people may vote for them that want to see immigration controls tightened... but then you may see those that don't not voting Labour... no win either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Don't think so Baz; Labour has well and truly been taken over by the PC Brigade; whether Corbynite or Bliarite; so no one will believe them in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Latest scandal in the Labour Party - It's reported they are attempting to rig the leadership election vote in favour of Smith. Some members sympathetic to Corbyn have received emails saying they have had their membership revoked - for the silliest of reasons, such as the contents of one of their 2yr old tweets seeming to advocate green party policy. Also accusations of being disloyal and being abusive to party members - wonder if Helen Jones and Nick Bent and all the MP's that have slagged Jezzer off will get such an email? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 It's a cess pit at the bottom of the political sewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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