observer Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Seems the Home Office are dishing out British citizenships like there's no tomorrow. Speed seems to be of the essence, such that they missed an applicant, who had admitted to a stabbing in his own country, but the fact was missed from his file. Simple answer to provide speed of decision making - a presumption against giving citizenship, followed by deportation in the absence of a visa. Guess that previous Home Secretary (labour) was right, when he said, the Home Office wasn't fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Not just a stabbing; he admitted to actually killing someone Trouble is, would a re-evaluation of these cases after citizenship has been granted and any such decisions to reverse the decisions and possible deportation be in breach of their human rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 You try owing the government some money... they wouldn't miss that ! You would really expect the defence of our borders in every sense to be a top priority with any government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yet another reason to withdraw from the ECHR Treaty and the EU Baz. Then, if they want a "right to a family life", they could have any family deported with them! Our territorial integrity as a Nation means absolutely nothing anymore Dave; our WW2 generation that fought to defend it, must be turning in their graves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Just did a catch up on Channel 5's Benefits Britain.... all about the benefits given to EU citizens who work here... 1. Romanian Gypsy. Came to Britain in January to get benefits (His words not mine) He is classed as self employed (He is a skip monkey and collects scrap) Doesn't pay any tax and has a wife and two kids at home in Romania. He gets benefits for the kids as well as tax credits and reckons to have received almost £10,000 since he came here. Show ended with him bringing his wife, kids and a new born baby to Britain in order to register the child with an NHS doctor in order to receive child benefit.... one week later, they are all back off home again with another little mouth for our welfare state to feed 2. Polish woman and child living in Poland but husband works in Bristol. He gets benefits for the child and also top up tax credits because he only earns £18,000 a year. The money goes back to Poland. no wonder this country is such a magnet. Two workers and neither earning enough to pay any tax, but enough to take money out of the pot they have never contributed to. Not right..... not right at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I should imagine a major goal of these people is to get a child to be born over then they would be on the bandwagon for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 They're working on it Dave; believe a quarter of all births are now to immigrants ! (amended for the petty minded!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 They're working on it Dave; believe a third of all births are now to immigrants ! Wow! really! well done, even the Daily Heil is only claiming a quarter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223009/A-quarter-babies-born-UK-children-immigrants-mothers-Poland-India-Pakistan-birth-record-numbers.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Only a quarter? - wow we should all be thankfull then ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 just stick to the facts Observer and I will be happy. If it is "so bad" there would be no need for exaggeration now would there??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 The relief is overwhelming, not a third but just a quarter - wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 so why lie? to help exaggerate your pet agenda? or is it congenital? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 imo a quarter is as bad as a third; so your petty line of argument is academic. Three strokes of the cane is less than six,. oh the relief! - it's still the cane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 What a pathetic attempt at justifying your lying ways and a pretty dopey analogy too. A third is a lie no matter how you feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Petty - sure your not really LT, cos your sounding like him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 No I'm no Lt, are you Walter Mitty as you are beginning to sound like him. tell you what , I'm a fair person and will meet you half way, you stop being a liar and I will stop pointing it out. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 zzzzzzzzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I do apologise Observer, I understand that the truth is sometimes far less sensational than lies but I will try to stick to it all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Everyone's "truth" is perception based on opinion - now carry on with your knitting. zz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 how do you "percieve" a third to be a quarter, unless you are a complete idiot? How can the number 25 be the same as 33 1/3. It makes no sense. Be honest you exaggerated for dramatic effect to sensationalise your hobby horse subject. You were pulled up and yet you cling to the belief that your opinion is fact. Knitting? was that an insult back in your days? I will keep on knitting and no doubt you will keep on doing something which rhymes and is prefixed with the word "bull" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 If I'd said a fifth, rather than a third, which would have been less than a quarter - would you have corrected me? I doubt it. But the point is, that fifth, quarter or third; birth rates from immigrants are disproportionately higher than the indigenous population - that's the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 So, if it makes no difference to the point why lie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 There was no deliberate intention to; it's merely a mistake; a mistake of little importance to the point being made; some of us rely on memory rather than google. ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Relying on memory at your time of life is bound to lead to mistakes ???? I also relied on my memory but used Google to post the daily heil link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 But the fraction wasn't critical to the point being made and I thought a quote from the daily heil wouldn't meet with your approval anyway ! Then we could have spent another ten pages, discussing whether the daily heil lies ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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