wolfie Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Personally I couldn't care less but I think the Nays will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Having seen some of the Yays and Nays arguements put forward for and against I find it very hard to understand how the people voting can make any informed decision either way as there doesn't seem to be anything of substance on either side and way too many 'maybes' in how it will workI couldn't care less either though but that's probably because I still don't fully understand what effect it will all have.... answers on a postcard please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Bugger I clicked the wrong vote choice... not to worry as I'm sure I wont be the first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The fact that it's even happening in the first place makes me believe that it's a meaningless sham, if there was any chance of it changing anything...it wouldn't be allowed. Like the referendum on UK membership of the United States of Europe which the British people were promised, I don't see any sign of that taste of democracy coming along any time soon, the result might be inconvenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 So if they all vote YES and are 'freed' if/when it all goes wrong will we just bail them out and let them back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Of course we will Dizzy, the taxpayers only exist to allow the politicians to play their silly games. I'm pretty sure the nae vote will win out but it doesn't bother me either way because either way will end up with me being out of pocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's the way I was seeing it too Asp. I wonder how much it has cost for this Nay Yay battle so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 How this all got started was with the idea of devolution, the devolution of political powers down to the Regions of Britain. This was started under Labour with Prezzer at the helm; but after Scotland, Wales and London, he allowed it to be sunk by a referendum in the N/East of England. The aspiration was born out of a clear exasperation throughout provincial Britain with the centralised monopoly of power in London. Unfortunately, in Scotland the SNP seized on the opportunity to turn devolution into independence and exploit the exasperation of the plebs. Now that the Scots have taken us to the brink of self-destruction as a nation, the Westminster establishment have belatedly "got it", and are offering devolution once again. BUT, some politicians still don't "get it"; in the sense that they need to be establishing a Regional tier of Government (just like Germany) throughout the UK; instead some are talking about more powers to mega-cities in England showing they have no understanding of devolution at all, and are set to continue the dog's breakfast of past re-organisations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Well if they get the wrong result they can always use the tried and tested method of keeping on voting until they get the right result. One thing though would a yes vote mean we would get rid of all the scottish mp,s currently in the british parliament and if so who will be running the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Tories ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Didn't we have County Councils at one time that were an interim form of government ? I mean , what's all this rubbish about elected mayors on mega bucks doing what committees of elected councillors did for many years previously ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Well if they get the wrong result they can always use the tried and tested method of keeping on voting until they get the right result. Like when Ireland rejected the Lisbon treaty in 2008, fearing loss of independence and creeping EU federalism. A sudden drought of EU funding followed, after living on short rations for 16 months the Celtic Tiger decided to vote Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Dave, the CCs were a hangover from our historic county set-up; but clearly too small for strategic authorities imo. We have for example 48 Police Authorities. with Chief Constables and now PCCs; a Regional arrangement (similar to the TV regions), would give us around 12 Regions. These could be responsible for Police, Fire, NHS, Welfare etc, as in Scotland. The principle of the Barnet Formula would need to remain, to allow a fair and even distribution of revenues throughout the UK. Whether we still get EU funding I'm not sure, but I understand that this is allocated on a regional basis; which would mean directly to such regional authorities, rather than via Westminster as now. But the principle of devolution doesn't end there; the next tier down would be the Unitary Councils; and the idea would be to locate powers and funding at the lowest optimum level; thus making political decision making closer to and more relevant to local people. The idea of elected Mayors was to put a face to the electorate, rather than faceless committees; unfortunately this doesn't seem to have reduced the numbers of politicos, as these Mayors and PCCs seem to amass an unelected entourage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Very catchy chorus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 For a possible decision that could affect the UK constitution ,it does seem undemocratic than only voters from within Scottish boundaries can take part. The complete population of the present UK should also be voting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Seems strange that born and bred Scots living in England can't vote but Rumanians , Lithuanians, Poles, and Bulgarians living in Scotland can vote. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Strange indeed; Salmond appears to have totally outmanoeuvred the English with the terms of this referendum. Like Robert the Bruce, at Bannochburn, picked his ground for the most favourable outcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris1066 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 For a possible decision that could affect the UK constitution ,it does seem undemocratic than only voters from within Scottish boundaries can take part. The complete population of the present UK should also be voting. Nick Robinson (BBC) had a punch line at the end of his piece on the news last night which put your comment in to perspective. He said that a Yes vote by 4% of the population of the UK could break up the United Kingdom without the other 96% having any say in the decision. That's so wrong. Even if the "No's" have the price paid will cause heads to roll at Westminster. Cameron for the Tower !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I think the 'Jocks' are wonderful people in general but they are too impulsive and unbelievably nationalistic but unfortunately they don't know when they are on to a good thing, if they do go it alone I honestly believe as a stand alone nation they will rue the day it happened, for their sake I hope the 'No's' have it!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I hear that Sean Connery, speaking from his £20m house in the Bahamas is gutted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think maybe the producers of Braveheart should be footing the bill for the referendum ,& i'm sure if a remake is ever planned a certain fishy politician will be available for the lead role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Och aye the No. Westminster outmanoeuvred, Oh dear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 What we can learn from this exercise is the true nature of referendums, the establishment using the politics of fear to win; which is a good indication of how they'll manage any referendum on our EU membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 And how much has that brinksmanship cost the taxpayer just to give Scotland devolved power & raise the profile of Salmond ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 None Salmond has just quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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